Series 2 I need some help

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Dopey said:
Technically nothing is a like for like, they no longer make the chassis, or reproduce it, they do a reproduction one, but its still missing parts on it, its cheaper and faster to build it that way, it's the only way I can get power steering on it, and it be legal on the road, same for the mounts, you can only do certain things and for it to be roadworthy
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What I mean is you will lose historic status due to the alterations...a reproduction chassis is a copy of the original a modified S2 chassis to fit a V8 is not a reproduction copy...
 
No it goes on a point system, and components have points, like a gearbox, will have so many, and original axles will as well, I have enough points that I am ok, there are no points for brakes for instance, I will have plenty of points left
 
Dopey said:
No it goes on a point system, and components have points, like a gearbox, will have so many, and original axles will as well, I have enough points that I am ok, there are no points for brakes for instance, I will have plenty of points left
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The way I read it you will lose points for chassis\steering and engine modifications\changes due to it being a series...reading from Glencoyne Engineering site and other forum discussions...
 
Engine is only 1 point, you can change things, but you have to keep at least (In my case) suspension (front and back) axles (both)
 
Dopey said:
Engine is only 1 point, you can change things, but you have to keep at least (In my case) suspension (front and back) axles (both)
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You need 8 points do you not? out of a total possible 14...you will lose chassis 5
steering 2
engine 1
It is the chassis modification that I think will be your problem...
 
Shippers said:
You need 8 points do you not? out of a total possible 14...you will lose chassis 5
steering 2
engine 1
It is the chassis modification that I think will be your problem...
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They don't do points any more (I just looked) they tell you what you can and can't do,

Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

  • the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
  • a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
  • the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
  • a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

For cars or light vans:

  • suspension (front and back)
  • steering assembly
  • axles (both)
  • transmission
  • engine
 
Dopey said:
tbh, how do they tell if its the original chassis? if I paint over the galv......
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Because a S2 never had a V8 or power steering fitted and when you weld new brackets on that is a modification galvanised doesnt make a difference if it´s same specification...when you change logbook to V8 they will know youve modified it...
 
No its fine, adding the brackets make no differance, as long as I have the chassis, and 2 other components I am ok Age is for Historic vehicle = free road fund licence
Age and originality is for Vehicle of Historic Interest = MOT exempt What could be simpler !! :):)
 
To clarify, I'm not arguing for rivet counting originality, but I am urging a bit of caution that things may not be as free in the future as they were in the past. I also think that what may look like a "fashionable" or "common" modification a while back may come to be looked on as desecration with the less modified vehicles commanding a premium. Putting a V8 in a Series was " a thing" some years back and there are many converted series running around, but to fit one 2021 as we go into an extended period of government policy of de-carbonisation, I would describe it as "tone deaf".
 
Here's an example of what I mean, this is a tragic story and the guy was killed. There are reasons why, very high speed and no seat-belt, and a few years ago that would have been that, but take some time to read the article and notice the tone of the reporting and the quotes from the Coroner, they are very specific about the modifications and that they were illegal. None of the mods are unusual and many are widely sold but the Coroner is very critical.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...died-instantly-flew-M275-motorway-150mph.html
 
rob1miles said:
To clarify, I'm not arguing for rivet counting originality, but I am urging a bit of caution that things may not be as free in the future as they were in the past. I also think that what may look like a "fashionable" or "common" modification a while back may come to be looked on as desecration with the less modified vehicles commanding a premium. Putting a V8 in a Series was " a thing" some years back and there are many converted series running around, but to fit one 2021 as we go into an extended period of government policy of de-carbonisation, I would describe it as "tone deaf".
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I agree, but like I say, its nothing that can't be put back to originality, It will get filled with oil, wrapped and put in a dry dark corner some place and keep just in case...
 
rob1miles said:
Here's an example of what I mean, this is a tragic story and the guy was killed. There are reasons why, very high speed and no seat-belt, and a few years ago that would have been that, but take some time to read the article and notice the tone of the reporting and the quotes from the Coroner, they are very specific about the modifications and that they were illegal. None of the mods are unusual and many are widely sold but the Coroner is very critical.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...died-instantly-flew-M275-motorway-150mph.html
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My mods are not illegal, I am following the law, looking at government guidelines and following them, I am not changing a load of things to make it go faster, I am putting a V8 in and changing the brake to disks to cope with it, and I am not trying to build a 150mph racing car
 
Dopey said:
Technically nothing is a like for like, they no longer make the chassis, or reproduce it, they do a reproduction one, but its still missing parts on it, its cheaper and faster to build it that way, it's the only way I can get power steering on it, and it be legal on the road, same for the mounts, you can only do certain things and for it to be roadworthy
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I do believe if you give them your old chassis they can and will make an exact replica?
 
Dopey said:
My son is thinking of selling his Type R and with the £££ he wants to do the series II up, he wants a new galv chassis (not much wrong with the one on there now tbh) and power steering and disks on the front, and maybe a V8 on it to make it a daily drive

My Q is, how long for a chassis change, and It will be easier to make the disk and power steering off the body I'm sure, how long will all that take? (not the V8 though) ta!
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You might find with discs you may need to run a servo.
 
lynall said:
I do believe if you give them your old chassis they can and will make an exact replica?
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It's the original one, so 1958, this series II is now really my sons now..... I think it will have to have another chassis in his lifetime, so why not do it now, he wants to keep it and not sell it on, we striped built this down and built it up together it was a full restoration, so its more than a simple car to us
 
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