HVO Usage in Land Rovers.

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David 110

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Hello All,

Does anyone have any experience in running their LR's on HVO?

It reads like a dream (if the hype is real):
  • FAME-free, fossil-free & sulphur-free
  • 100% hydrocarbon, sustainable, renewable and biodegradable
  • Up to 90% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions
  • Shelf-life of up to 10 years compared to 1 year for mineral diesel
  • Drop-in alternative for mineral diesel (confirming to EN15940) and approved by numerous OEMs
  • Exceptional cold-weather performance
  • Produced from renewable and sustainable sources
  • High cetane number – offers improved starting performance, clean combustion and a reduced likelihood of waxing in cold weather
It also has a slue of OEM approvals - from DAF to Peugeot (LR are not on the list).

There are some suppliers who will deliver for personal use - There is a min buy-in. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has tried it before I give it a go in the TD5?
 
Is just another type of Bio ?? I don’t know much about it but I don’t think the TD5 likes veg oil at all ? I could be wrong !!
 
Every mot time nothing registerd on the emissions machine 1st time I took it there they thought it was broken then I said I ran svo they checked the machine on another car all working retested mine then passed it. It passed every year I owned it mate I gave it to still runs it to this day
 
Every mot time nothing registerd on the emissions machine 1st time I took it there they thought it was broken then I said I ran svo they checked the machine on another car all working retested mine then passed it. It passed every year I owned it mate I gave it to still runs it to this day
Sounds interesting, where did you buy the SVO, worth trying if only at MOT time.
 
I bought it in bulk from local cash n carry nice clean fresh svo came in 20 litre plastic containers if your gonna run it this time of year chuck a bit of misfuel in it about 1 to 20 to prevent waxing enjoy the savings
 
I have quite exstensive expereince of using veg oil and bio-deisel. Designed and fitted my own conversions and aound 100,000 miles on veg oil. Got may car exemted the Camden "environmental charge" based on it being carbon neutral, to this day I don't know of anyone esle who's done that.
I now run deisel. I would be very wary.
This whole sector is based on goverment policy and subsidies, companies come and go in quick sucession and product quality can be very variable. The business model may have little to do with making decent fuel
Veg based fuels are highly reactive, they are not benign and have a tendency to attack rubber, neoprene, copper and some plastics. Vehicles designed to run on these fuels have the right materials, but its safe to say most older vehicles do not. What you save in fuel you can spend on seal replacements.
These fuels are far from eco freindly, in the case of the soya based oils these are often grown on clear felled rain forest in Brazil - remember all that burning in Brazil - you can bet that is for fuel crops not food crops. To produce biofuel takes a lot of land, that's why some countries ban it. They do not want competition between fuel and food. The eco claims are more about getting access to Govement grants and subsidies than planet saving.
They are not carbon neutral, they could be if sourced locally, but the reality is that many raw materials come a long way. Heathrow Airport runs a state of the art bio-generating plant. It earns £200,000 per year in renewable subsidies from the tax payer. Its only economic because of the subsidy, it burns wood pellets grown on clear felled monoculture land in Amercia and transported acorss the Atlantic in temp and humidity controlled ships. Its carbon foot print is huge, but not in the UK so its OK. Its real purpose is to enable Heathrow to get "green credentials".
I supect that most users will be fleet operators who will either use this as a marketing tool or to get acess to subsidies. As a private user I would wait, there could be signficant problems to come, let other's learn them.
For those of use with Series and Lucas DPA pumps do not do this. The pump shaft will shear once the weather gets cold. Biofuels only work in pumps with separate oil systems (the Bosch in-line is the best).
I looked at the suppliers web sites, they seem cagey about the raw materials. There are two options - purpose grown crops, an ecological disaster but pure, or made from food or manufacturing waste, ecologically good, but prone to contamination. The used veg oil based fuels were often acidic due to meat contamination.
The problem is that it could be a year or two before it trashes your engine, the fleet users vehiles will all be leased but you will be stuffed, proving anything will be near impossible and the supplier will be long gone (well still there, but with a new name).
 
I got as far as a quote - £1.38 a litre - min order 1000litre IBC. I got the feeling you might need some sort of permit to store that much fuel at home so have stopped at that point.

Nope, just be sensible where you put it, we stored ours in large blue 220 litre barrels, that had about 200 litres in each and pumped them out with a little leccy Whale pump ...
 
I find that price very telling. I looked at the marketing, its a premium priced fuel aimed at fleet and shipping users to get them under an emissions target, either to get acess to grants or get avoid fines. Price is not an issue for them as using this could save them £1000s in other costs.
Re the storage - if oyu are on a famr - no issue at all, if you are in a residential area and its in the back garden, check your insurence and the local authority. when I ran bio-fuel it was off to store (usually around 100 litres) or veg oil so long as it wans't a fuel, once it was converted then no. In practice I would load it into the vehiles as veg oil then put the additives in. I had to get a bio-fuel "licence" as there is (was?) as 2000 ltr annual tax exemption.
The most interesting question and well worth sorting is this; what if a Defender on HVO meets the Euro 5 or even 6 standards, if its as good as they claim it may do. Could you then get a road tax reduction and exemption from the LEZ on production of a cert confirming you have filled up with HVO?
 
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