Hummers

On or around Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:55:11 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
enlightened us thusly:

>isn't really worth the risk of tinyurling is it?

mind, I don't actually see tinyurl as a risk, as such.

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> > Without wishing to be pedantic the H2 isnt really a Hummer at all , its
> basically a rebodied Chevy Suburban with its styling cues taken from the
> Hummer ( so a bit like the new beetle, rebodied Golf). The real Hummer is
a
> hugely engineered piece of kit, still fairly crap though. The Kiwis didnt
> buy any after they had a few for evaluation, they chose the Mercedes
Unimog
> instead.
> Steve the grease
>

Yes Steve. you're exactly right. they are quite a different beast.

don't know wether you fellas get it over in UK, but over in Aus they are a
couple of firms that offer hummer kits. they have everything you need to
transform a Landcruiser or Nissan Patrol into a hummer look-alike, basically
an H2. they always look awkwardly narrow to me. while the genuine hummers
always look stupidly wide.

Cheers

Sam.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:06:47 +0100, MVP <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net>
wrote:

>sounds nice though...

Not anywhere near as nice as a 4.6L Rover V8 - IMO an all that...

I don't think a stolly is in the same league as a scammel, you can haul a
100 ton steam locomotive with a scammell.


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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:00:28 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I've got much the same opinion of a Alvis Stalwart...... I'd love one
>
> I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening...
>

On 2005-04-21, Samuel <[email protected]> wrote:

> while the genuine hummers always look stupidly wide.

I read somewhere that one of the design requirements of the proper
hummer was that it should be able to drive in the track ruts of an
Abrahams tank as it was supposed to act as a support vehicle for them.
Hence the girth!

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On 2005-04-20, Landynut <[email protected]> wrote:

> What, no comments about why IFS is crap?

Depends how it's done, it's great on the Pinzgauer, although it's
described as swinging half-axles on there rather than IFS, but the
suspension is still independent on each wheel. When you load it at
the back it does crab down on the suspension reducing the ground
clearance, but even in that state it probably has more than a
non-loaded landy!

The Hummer H2 has beam axles though, it's based on a Chevvy Tahoe IIRC
which never really did very well. It's a crap car. The proper hummer
isn't bad, just enormous, with a long wheelbase so not much good for
rock-crawling or really bumpy off-roading. It has IFS which doesn't
help.

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Yeah but most railway locomotives still travel in the tracks of a Roman
Chariot. Essentially the gauge was fixed by the practical distance of a
horses arse and the yoke around its neck.


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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 2005-04-21, Samuel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I read somewhere that one of the design requirements of the proper
> hummer was that it should be able to drive in the track ruts of an
> Abrahams tank as it was supposed to act as a support vehicle for them.
> Hence the girth!
>
> --
> For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:38:47 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:00:28 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I've got much the same opinion of a Alvis Stalwart...... I'd love one
>
>I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening...

Yes you are, yes you are, yes you are.

Go on go on go on go on You know you want one

Alex

Alex wrote:
> Mother wrote:
>> Alex wrote:
>>
>>> I've got much the same opinion of a Alvis Stalwart...... I'd love
>>> one
>>
>> I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening...
>
> Yes you are, yes you are, yes you are.
> Go on go on go on go on You know you want one

or one of these maybe
http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=6&Overide=1

There was a Hummer parked (badly) in the way when
I walked down the bank this lunch time. I know the
guy is an ex-boxer and they are not renown for savvy
but a cour-d'elegance shine on an off-roader???

nigelH

Thanks for the informative reply Ian , we don't have too many Hummers, etc
here.

Regards
Sean
"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 2005-04-20, Landynut <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What, no comments about why IFS is crap?
>
> Depends how it's done, it's great on the Pinzgauer, although it's
> described as swinging half-axles on there rather than IFS, but the
> suspension is still independent on each wheel. When you load it at
> the back it does crab down on the suspension reducing the ground
> clearance, but even in that state it probably has more than a
> non-loaded landy!
>
> The Hummer H2 has beam axles though, it's based on a Chevvy Tahoe IIRC
> which never really did very well. It's a crap car. The proper hummer
> isn't bad, just enormous, with a long wheelbase so not much good for
> rock-crawling or really bumpy off-roading. It has IFS which doesn't
> help.
>
> --
> For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

In message <[email protected]>
Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2005-04-21, Samuel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > while the genuine hummers always look stupidly wide.
>
> I read somewhere that one of the design requirements of the proper
> hummer was that it should be able to drive in the track ruts of an
> Abrahams tank as it was supposed to act as a support vehicle for them.
> Hence the girth!
>

There was program on TV some years ago about a group of Yanks
setting out design "the ideal off roader" - mostly set in
the Sahara, and what they came up with was pretty much
a Mk.1 Hummer. To get the mentality of the team, they
observed a number cars getting stuck (Peugot 405's mostly),
ignored the 2CV having no trouble at all (the 2CV, certainly
a few years ago, was the only production saloon capable of
crossing the Sahra unmodified) and a 110 Station Wagon,
full of people with litteraly a 6 foot stack of luggage
on the roof, struggling a bit but still moving. They seemed
to thing this was a problem!
Their vehicle, in two formats - 4x4 and 6x6, was then shown
trundling along with 4 people and no luggage to speak of.
There's nothing like being objective!

I had cause to watch a 90, a Pinzgauler and a Hummer
undergoing braking and swerve tests with a trailer a few
years ago. The results were surprising...... Plus talking
to some of those who were doing the tests was enlightening.
Replacing the
101's means that moving a gun battery now requires 50% MORE
helicopter lifts - a great step forward. The Hummer - well
most of the comments could not be broadcast on TV, but it
had been raining and the soft-topped Hummer didn't have
any drain hole in the floor............

And finally....... in Bosnia/Croatia the US forces
borrowed LR's off the Austrailians and Turks - the Hummers
couldn't get down the roads.

You've got laugh.

Richard

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On or around Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:44:30 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>I don't think a stolly is in the same league as a scammel, you can haul a
>100 ton steam locomotive with a scammell.

I know where there's an old one (Pioneer, maybe?), sitting in a forest -
apparently it was driven there, so in theory it'd run...

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Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:24:03 GMT, "R L Driver"
<steve(dot)[email protected]> wrote:


>> Without wishing to be pedantic the H2 isnt really a Hummer at all , its
>basically a rebodied Chevy Suburban with its styling cues taken from the
>Hummer ( so a bit like the new beetle, rebodied Golf). The real Hummer is a
>hugely engineered piece of kit, still fairly crap though. The Kiwis didnt
>buy any after they had a few for evaluation, they chose the Mercedes Unimog
>instead.
>Steve the grease
>
We bought the Pinzgauer to replace the Landrovers the army used. the
Unimogs we have had for years - assuming you are talking about the
trucks.
The Pinzgauer soudns like a serious piece of offroad kit.
Geoff

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:42:07 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> made
me spill my meths when he wrote:

>I could afford to go buy a round
>of drinks that'd even satisfy the likes of Wayne Davies...

And there was me not even sniggering about the narrow gate comment....

Anyway, you want to ride in this Pinkie, or the other one....?
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:47:42 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> made me spill my meths when he wrote:

>but I stand (or sit, as the case may be) by what I say: the seat frame,
>from the rails to the tubular bit that supports the springs, is made of
>inferior and cheap-looking material and is prone to fail, partly due to that
>and partly due to the design, which creates a high-stress point which ain't
>re-inforced (it is, on mine, now).

<Group murmer> Denial...
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:10:49 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Anyway, you want to ride in this Pinkie, or the other one....?

Of course. I'm waiting for you to pull up outside in it to further
scare the neighbours. (I have a spare bucket for the petrol).

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:26:02 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> made
me spill my meths when he wrote:

>Of course. I'm waiting for you to pull up outside in it to further
>scare the neighbours. (I have a spare bucket for the petrol).

But which one to bring?

Choices choices...
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:36:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>>Of course. I'm waiting for you to pull up outside in it to further
>>scare the neighbours. (I have a spare bucket for the petrol).
>
>But which one to bring?
>
>Choices choices...

'ang on a mo... dida miss summat there... ?

You do realise that if you tell me you have two pinkies I'll have no
alternative other than to hurt you when next we meet.

On or around Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:11:26 GMT, [email protected]
enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:47:42 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> made me spill my meths when he wrote:
>
>>but I stand (or sit, as the case may be) by what I say: the seat frame,
>>from the rails to the tubular bit that supports the springs, is made of
>>inferior and cheap-looking material and is prone to fail, partly due to that
>>and partly due to the design, which creates a high-stress point which ain't
>>re-inforced (it is, on mine, now).
>
><Group murmer> Denial...

feck orft.

but in all seriousness, the seat frame is poorly designed/made; and also,
the seat foam gives up the ghost an' all. Unfortunately, the fabric appears
to be built into it, in some way, which rather precludes replacing just the
foam part, even if it can be got.


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"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:56:24 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> made
me spill my meths when he wrote:

>'ang on a mo... dida miss summat there... ?
>
>You do realise that if you tell me you have two pinkies I'll have no
>alternative other than to hurt you when next we meet.

Had them both parked up outside the house last week. One neighbour
came up to me and said it was nice to see a bit of colour on the
street.


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Wayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213

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