Knew you lot couldnt help your selfs,
Its easier to start an engine in -15 in Iceland than it is in the UK as the its less damp.
How does DAMP affect a diesel engine?
Does the damp affect the diesel plugs and leads?
Knew you lot couldnt help your selfs,
Its easier to start an engine in -15 in Iceland than it is in the UK as the its less damp.
How does DAMP affect a diesel engine?
Does the damp affect the diesel plugs and leads?
Damp saturates the snap on sponge turrets and causes the petrol to emulsify leading to oil in the horn
so know how a fuel rail and a helical works.
Same in Sweden.
I have Thwaites Nimbus dumper. 510 cc single cylinder direct injection diesel.
NO electrics of any kind - but it has a self-starter, ME and the starting handle!
On a cold morning, the way to get it running is to use a big kettle-full of boiling water over the engine, paying attention to the aluminium cooling fins on the injector - plenty hot water there. The hot water trickles down among the fins on the cylinder barrel, and heats it up a treat. It fires up really well after that.
The real trick to starting diesels from cold is HEAT. You must get the compessed air in the cylinders hot enough to cause ignition.
Our Glow plugs do several things, heating the air in the pot, radiating heat to the walls of the combustion chamber, but mostly by being hot enough to start the fuel burning. People with 2.5NA engines and 2.5TD will know all about trying to start those on cold days if the glow plugs are out of action.
My tractor uses a flame plug, and that is amazing!
tis on an old perkins engine and yer forget to connect yer filter pipe back up after just replacing the burner and yer bonnet lagging starts ta smoke before yer start cranking:doh:Even with the glow plugs working, my 19j was a pig to start from cold. Used to have to give it at least 30 seconds of heat before anything would happen. Most of the time it took two cycles of 30 seconds to get it firing.
A flame plug, is that as exciting as it sounds?
but he was talking about a diesal not petrolDamp saturates the snap on sponge turrets and causes the petrol to emulsify leading to oil in the horn
Of course it was a petrol engine............it had spark plugsbut he was talking about a diesal not petrol
so whats wrong with easy start?
ive been using it where necessary for forty years and not noticed any ill effects.
one used tractor i bought in the eighties wont cold start without it whatever the weather.. once its done one start and warmed up its fine for the rest of the day... it still just needs the smallest whiff for that first start but hasnt got any worse in the nearly 30 years ive owned it. .
weve got a fourtrak that has an intermitant fault in the glow plugs that i havnt tracked down yet... just carrying the yellow can means i can still use it ....without the worry of being stranded somewhere if the heater plugs wont work
Even with the glow plugs working, my 19j was a pig to start from cold. Used to have to give it at least 30 seconds of heat before anything would happen. Most of the time it took two cycles of 30 seconds to get it firing.
A flame plug, is that as exciting as it sounds?
Sure is!
Some of them are really great. The idea is to have a bloody big coil of ni-chrome wire in the inlet manifold. When connected to the electrics, this goes red hot.
In the KiGass system, you heat the wire red hot then slam in a little pump that spraysa good spoonful of diesel or kero onto the red hot wire.
Usually you can hear it light up with a good WHUMP! noise, and this is when you hit the starter motor. The cold engine sucks in smoke and flames and half-burned fuel, and ... well, the engine really can't do much else but fire up.
The flame plug in my tractor is connected to a fuel line and electrics on the key - the HEAT position. Like Glow position in Landies.
This heats up a coil like before, but smaller, and as it heats up, the coil heats a bi-metal strip which bends, and that lifts a needle-valve that lets diesel sprinkle onto the red hot wire as soon as you hit the starter motor. My tractor fires up fast no matter how cold it is.
No reason why a flame plug can't be fitted to old 2.5NA engines.
Their starting difficulties would simply go away.
Ordinary people should not fit or use flame plugs.
Just farmers and nutters like us.
How much does something like that cost?
Probably a tenner from any Farm parts dealer
Universal Tractor 1033 - 12v Flame Heater Glow-plug on eBay (end time 14-Apr-11 14:07:36 BST)
That is exactly what is in my tractor, a 2.7 litre THREE cylinder direct injection diesel.
Dead easy to fit once you make the hole for it.
Sure is!
Some of them are really great. The idea is to have a bloody big coil of ni-chrome wire in the inlet manifold. When connected to the electrics, this goes red hot.
In the KiGass system, you heat the wire red hot then slam in a little pump that spraysa good spoonful of diesel or kero onto the red hot wire.
Usually you can hear it light up with a good WHUMP! noise, and this is when you hit the starter motor. The cold engine sucks in smoke and flames and half-burned fuel, and ... well, the engine really can't do much else but fire up.
The flame plug in my tractor is connected to a fuel line and electrics on the key - the HEAT position. Like Glow position in Landies.
This heats up a coil like before, but smaller, and as it heats up, the coil heats a bi-metal strip which bends, and that lifts a needle-valve that lets diesel sprinkle onto the red hot wire as soon as you hit the starter motor. My tractor fires up fast no matter how cold it is.
No reason why a flame plug can't be fitted to old 2.5NA engines.
Their starting difficulties would simply go away.
Ordinary people should not fit or use flame plugs.
Just farmers and nutters like us.
Thanks.
How would you reckon is best to install it on a 200Di? I doubt a plastic intake will like it? How would the fuel connection be the safest/easiest?
Cheers
The plastic manifold would be no good, it would melt!
The device needs to be fitted UP stream from the inlet ports so the engine sucks air past it, and draws all the flames and smoke into the cylinders.
I would need to check where the fuel supply is tapped from, but it will be somewhere after the lift pump. It won't be a problem.
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