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rangiep38

rangiep38

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Driving home about an hour ago i hear the warning beep look at the dash seeing SLOW 35MPH MAX thinking i pressed the speed limiter button then EAS FAULT and then no air at all starts bouncin like mad and i think oh s!%t i`m about 10 miles from home on a stupid b road that has seen better days.:eek:
I pull over to check the pump but cant hear anything but i`m not sure i should, should i? anyway the noise of the engine and the cars were not helping, so i eventually nurse it home to check but know f all about the pump,

what do i do?:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Hi there.
You can take the pump cover off the pump under the bonnet with EAS on it and being careful it is not HOT, feel the vibrations when you have started the car, if you feel nothing it's doing nothing but i have to say that i can hear mine with the bonnet up. If there is no noise then it's broken or no power to it. When mine went it went in the outside lane on the M42 when i was going quite quick officer.
Did it show any signs of failiure like taking a while to pump the car up. Mine didnt and once i had the fault removed from the ecu it was fine until it actually wore out.

If you post a message to eightinavee, he supplied my new pump and replaced
it under warranty when the seal went in it and didnt worry about getting it back until i went to see him. Very nice bloke, and so much cheaper than £246.78 + vat they quoted me here in the West Mids, i think you will pleasently suprised, i'm sure mine was less than 90 fine english pounds

Cheers, Nick.
 
theres nothing happening i took the compressor out to check it then wired it up again but its not even turning.
i read this on a listing on ebay for an emergency inflation system,

When your Range Rover air suspension system develops a fault, the ECU automatically deflates the suspension and shuts down the complete system leaving you a bumpy ride home on the bump stops.

is this true will it have to go on testbook? if i put another pump in it will it even do anything or does it need reset first?
 
Hello again.
I got mine taken straight to a indy landy dealer and they cleared the faults and i fetched the car, it did it again 1 week later in exactly the same spot on the M42, both times a large plane was flying towards me with landing lights on (coincidence?) but this time they told them one of the height sensors was faulty so they cleared the faults and i took it home and fitted the sensor.
If you get another good pump and fit it and it works then great, if it does'nt then you have lost nothing.
Unless it's important to get it done as quickly as possible i would try it but i suspect that someone will tell us if you have to have the faults cleared before it will work, even with a new pump.

Cheers Nick.
 
Hi,sounds like the usual EAS drama,has the car been slow to raise recently ? Does it drop right to the bumpstops overnight ? How many miles has it done,and are the bottom of the airsprings perished and manky looking ?
Sounds like the EAS Ecu may need a rest even if you remove the actual fault - if all the orange lights are flashing it will.
Have a look at the compressor,ign off,undo its electrical plug,remove the 3 nylock nuts with an 8mm socket,lift the compressor up a bit then undo the brass nut with a 12mm O/E spanner.Turn the comp upside down and carefully remove the 4 bolts with the 8mm socket,then pull off the lid and the cylinder head below it.The aluminium cylinder may lift off with it.Have a look at the teflon seal around the top of the piston,if it is worn away and torn it needs rebuilding or replacing.
Very sorry but I'm out of stock of seals and rebuilt compressors at the moment,I'm off to Australia at the end of the month,there are some waiting for me out there.Thats going to be too late for you tho,I think Paddocks or Craddocks have some at a good price at the moment.Or find a Britpart agent and barter the price down ! The Britpart ones are OE and alot cheaper - its down to how greedy the dealer is !
Sorry I cant be more help at the moment,the other thing is I dont know any good independant dealers near you who are good with EAS.(just because they have Testbook or Rovacom doesnt mean they understand it) Good luck.
 
Cheers eightinavee, i`ve already taken the compressor out and the seal looks ok i mean its not perished or broken but i dont know if it needs replacing.
Yes the it does take ages to pump up but not all the time occasionally it goes up quick its got 116k the rear springs are leaking, i do have 1 to go on unfortunately its been raining constantly up here so havnt been able to do it.
I already had a fault logged with suspension when i overloaded it with slabs you may remember me asking for advise back then, so it was already lit up like a christmas tree.
How would i know for defo if it is the pump? could i check to see if it still works?
I have heard of an independant lr specialist up here Firhill Motors so will give him a call tomorrow.
 
Hi.
I find if you phone the garage, explain the trouble you may be able to arrange to turn up, get it plugged in, clear the faults and fit your new pump which you happen to have with you as it really is only a twenty minute job.
In fact if you get the faults cleared and it works and you still want to change the pump i could talk you through it over the phone.

Cheers, Nick.
 
cheers Nick i`ve already got the pump out, the seal is a bit worn more so on 1 bit but seems to be sealing still so i`ll test it to see if it sill works and give the garage a phone in the morning and see if he can come out,
as for taking it to the garage fat chance of that happening its a few miles from where i live and i dont fancy a bone shake again i will take it if the guy doesnt come out but otherwise its stayin put.
 
just checked the pump and its dated 11 02 so after searching through the service folder i came accross a receipt for a new pump dated 29/01/03 also a new fuse box, cold start relay, fuel pump and a few other parts fitted at main dealer.
 
hi there ive just got myself a p38 4.6 hse yesterday got it cheap cos of suspension problem. i can change the compressor in about half an hour but whats this about a reset i dont understand please tell me
 
Hi.
If your EAS suspension warning comes up on the message centre on the dashboard and all the lights on the height indicator start flashing and the car drops onto the bump stops which means any sane person can't drive far, the " brain " has registerd faults and you need to have the faults cleared before you can use the car. If it is just adjusting itself constantly and taking ages to pump from standing then it probably needs a new pump or height sensors both of which are simple to do.

Cheers, Nick.
 
so how do i get that done and how much???
by the way i drove it back on sat from scotland to brum
 
An update on todays crap, well i tested the pump its fine no problem with it at all and had to take it to the garage.
When i got there the guy checked it out but couldnt find the fault as the ecu is telling him there is no faults but clearly there is he said as the dash is stating eas fault.
He reckons that water has got in cos the plug under the dash was a bit corroded that sounds a bit right as i have recently been getting water in the passanger footwell ever since i changed the pollen filters.
Oh yeah there was a fault that was found the air con relay was buggered, i couldnt care less about the air con at the moment.
Been told to get rid of it and get a car instead like thats gonna happen, i love ma rangie.
 
Hi Jae.
Has the car " locked " you out of manually setting the ride height ? If it has then you may only need to get the faults cleared for everything to be okay again and while it is plugged in the guy's will be able to tell you if there is a fault which may cause it to lock you out again. If it has not what makes you think it is the pump, and is it slow to go up or does it constantly make adjustments. These bit's of info would help as if you read rangie's post above its not always simple and it will help us to help you. the people here charge about £30 (it's less, but i can't remember how much) cheers.

Hi Rangie. (Theres a joke there i think).
Are you going to clean the connections then or has it been fixed.
 
Its dark and raining so i`ll have to wait til tomorrow, thinking about 1 of those manual inflation things then i can get the new springs on the back and keep it at normal height.
If its knackered then i may change to coils but then this sort of defeats the purpose of having a p38 dont you think?
 
So was he actually able to communicate with the EAS Ecu ? Sounds like it could be a faulty EAS delay relay,(black one under outer edge of N/S seat) If this fails you can get the warnings on the dash but no codes as you cant actually communicate with the Ecu.From memory the EAS ecu uses a different pin in the diagnostic socket than the other Ecu's,so its possible to talk to all the rest but not necessarily that one.
 
I`m not sure he just said the ecu wasnt showing any faults but clearly there were he thinks i have electrical faults and this is why i have no windows either.
He did say that hes confident everything works just that there are electrical faults possibly caused by water, is this possible by water coming in the passenger footwell from under the dash?
 
The air suspension will refuse to do anything once it has gone into "hard" fault (i..e MAX SPEED 35 MPH warning). You have absolutely no choice but to get it into a garage and get them to put it on Testbook to rest the EAS ECU. Most likely fault is a leaking air bag causing the compressor to run for too long (The ECU shuts it down to prevent overheating) or a height sensor giving erroneous signals to the ECU. Despite what people say, the compressor is actually pretty robust - most of the problems with it come from people not maintaining the system and forcing it to run beyond spec.

Sorry, but unless you want a bodge job then it's a garage only job I'm afraid.

Do take it easy on the bump stops, because you will knacker it even more if you don't!

Matt
 
Very possible that the diagnostic socket is flooded and corroded from blocked A/C drains or by rainwater getting in around the pollen filter covers.You really need to know wether he really did get any communication going with the EAS Ecu or not - was he able to do any live data readings with it.What diagnostic kit was he using ?
 
I know he did find 1 fault which was the air con relay not working but thats all, he used the snap-on diagnostic kit which is up to date and has other diagnostic rovacom or something but said that it should still say there was faults whch the ecu didnt.
 
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