help - Landrover Smoking on TICKOVER

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the willy was ok as long as it was a ford made one, the series 1 was based on its chassis design, but the suspension and drive was better on the landrover


the austin champ was a better vehicle than the series one but cost **** loads more to make and weighed a squillion tonnes thanks to it sharing a drivetrain with the daimler ferret
 
I have decided to turn the tickover up... The smoke clears at high revs....

Maybe the MOT man will accept a 2000 rpm tickover. I will also create a diagnostic socket in my dogs arse with my boot as it is the only member of the family who loves the landrover and fights me for the keys anytime I go near it. It is a shame that the windows are Jack russel size as he also loves sheep and can combine both interests with one leap of faith out of the window. He flys around the inside as I drive and hit me in the head last week. If I leave him behind he chases me , but I cannot see him behind cos of the smoke.....
 
i was in shock... couldn`t help myself.

booked the orchards for the end of september, cheers for the hookup, i would have mentioned the ref came from you but i didn`t reckon they would know who the hell ratty was...

are you taking yer landy over? You should see mine parked near the entrance from sat 26th. (If the engine's back together).;)
 
OK - Overfuelling may be the cause. Worth further investigation.

Gotta go now " Time for some Greek pump action....."
 
yip we be going in the hejhog, the mrs won`t travel in any other vehicle when we go on a mission.we be there from the 26th till the 30th, i shall keep an eye out for you and the ratmobile. perhaps we can indulge in some liquid refreshment and irritate the womenfolk with talk of man things...
 
yip we be going in the hejhog, the mrs won`t travel in any other vehicle when we go on a mission.we be there from the 26th till the 30th, i shall keep an eye out for you and the ratmobile. perhaps we can indulge in some liquid refreshment and irritate the womenfolk with talk of man things...

My Mrs is the same. It aint a holiday without the landy. I'm there from the 26th to the 3rd. The Ratmobile will be easy to spot. Just as you pull into the site it'll be parked on the left opposite a rank of bungalows. Remind me a bit closer to the time and I'll send you my mobile number. I think a beverage or two might well be the order of the day.;):)
 
Hello 'Fugly09', my first impressions are that you're a bit of a t w a t, but none the less, I will be a gentleman and lend you some invaluable advice - invaluable, meaning useful not worthless:

Welcome to Landyzone. You have a 2.5TD 19J engine, an engine which is typically acclaimed as being the worst engine that land rover ever produced, but which isn't necessarily true. In it's simplest terms, it was a mere attempt to push land rovers forwards and boost sales, the word 'TURBO' being the real deal sealer (form most consumers anyway) and a so called innovation for Land Rover diesel engines. Wrong. What it is in practice is a 12J engine (AKA 2.5 N/A) with a turbo slapped on the side which the mass typically mis-understood for being a racing car engine, as as such a lot of 19J engines have been over worked to try and meet the expectations of the driver. You will also find a slightly different Lucas/CAV injection pump to that on the N/A, yours having a boost diaphragm to adjust the fueling in correspondence with turbo boost. From day one the engine proved to be very unreliable, with problems ranging from over fueling and over heating, to oil being forced into the air intake causing the engines to rev so hard that they basically ingested their own bollocks. In later years i.e. towards the end of the 80's and the early 90's Land Rover re-enforced the cast iron block and opened out the cooling ports in an attempt to make the engine a little more reliable, which in some respects worked, but in general; the engines still tended to wear out quickly and start developing breathing problems and this is most commonly the case regardless of which 19J you have.

From what you're describing, it sounds like a typical symptom of 19J ownership, but if you do the right things to it, you will get relatively good results, and the smoke can almost certainly be reduced, if not eradicated. Try the following steps for fueling adjustment:

1) Ignore fuel pump timing for now, this can be dealt with later.
2) Start the engine and allow it to run up to operating temperature.
3) Feel down the side of the injection pump (the side facing the engine block)
4) You should feel a long bolt sticking out from the side of the pump (This is the Fueling Adjuster / Smoke Adjuster)
5) Loosen the lock nut and then wind this bolt in one complete turn at a time, tightening the lock nut every time you do so.
6) After each progression, check the exhaust at tickover for black smoke.
7) Eventually, after it's been wound in a bit, the smoke will stop.

At this point, you have reached an acceptable level of fueling for your engine, but you're not finished yet. Have your misses or your boyfriend (as I'm guessing you have) deck the accelerator to the floor and hold it there for ten seconds whilst you observe the exhaust for smoke. Generally speaking, the fueling is 'spot on' when there is a constant whisp of black smoke visible from the exhaust. There should not be clouds of smoke, perhaps a blast when it is revved up, but then it should reduce to a constant whisp. That's the fueling sorted. Chances are that a previous owner has adjusted the pump so that it has extra fuel for extra power. In principle this should work, but in practice it just wastes fuel and produces smoke as opposed to power which is actually reducing performance, not improving it.

Next step is solving the misfire. First thing first is to develop and understanding of the mechanics of the engine. It's a diesel, so there are no spark plugs to play up and no electronic ignition to start wearing out or degrading. The problems lay in the compressions in the cylinders and the fueling to the cylinders. Does it only misfire when it's ticking over or when the engine isn't at operating temperature? This is typical behavior until the engine has reached a temperature of 86 degrees C or there abouts, at which it should be starting to smooth out a little. Heat plays a major role in the compression and combustion of diesel and generally speaking the hotter the engine, the better it will run (obviously over heating being an exception to the rule). If it still misfires at operating temperature there are two possible causes:

1) Compression loss, either by a means of cracked piston crowns, a split block, worn rings or a blown head gasket
2) Fueling problems, primarily air in the fuel

The first step is to bleed the fuel system and see if this helps. Run the engine for five minutes after it has reached operating temperature and then switch it off. Observe the top of the injection pump and you should see a nut just below and to the right of number '10' in the picture below

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Loosen this nut slightly and then re-start the engine. If there is any air in the system, as a rim of fuel appears around the seam of the nut bubbles should appear. If the fuel runs through the pump bubble free, there isn't air getting into the system and you need to start considering getting into the engine to examine the piston crowns, the state of the head and the bores for wear etc.

-Pos
 
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on that photo wiv numbers on , if ive got doozel peeshing out from under the spring in number ten on the photo wiv numbers on , whats up wiv me pump an how do i fix it please? is there a rubber seal in there under that spring , or a copper washer or summat?
 
The shaft has one if not two rubber o rings on them. They need replacing. There is a kit avalible, but you need to remove the cover of the pump to do it, and it is VERY fiddely to get back on with the pump on the landy.

I did mine about a year and a half ago after they got melted by some chemical a car washer sprayed on the engine to "clean" it for me. To be honest I just went to B&Q and purchased a set of assorted o rings removed the shaft and found one that fitted it then required about two hours of fiddeling around to get the bladdy cover back on but they have not failed on me yet. I would suggest that unless your stuck with the option of walk 1/2 mile to b&q or 20 miles to landy garage you use the correct Lucas seal kit
 
Lots of things hooked together by springs and small metal bars, plus a couple of metal plates on the end of the two bars going through the cover. The main problem is not connecting it all bac up, it's getting everything to lie flat and getting the right bit ontop of the next one. The options are have a go. It's not difficult, just fiddely, if you dail take the pump off, or maybe just the front wing may be easier. Either way make sure your in a warm garage as this is not a job to be doing with frozen hands

Other option is to take it to an injector specailist but be prepaired for ££££££ $$$$$$
 
sounds like a pump off job then really , they arnt that had to take off. is the td's pump a dps or a dpa? just so i know what to ask for when buying the bits. you dont happen to know where i can get a diagram of how it goes together do you?
 
Sorry mate i don't but i'm sure google will help

I know all of the above from doing this in the cold and dark to allow me to get home without towing a fuel tanker behind me !
 
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