Help "breaking in" to a second row door

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dag019

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I am in the process of replacing the sills/B/C pillars on my station wagon project. I have managed to remove it all form the passenger side no problem.

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Came to make a start on the drivers side and the second row door will not open. It is acting like it is locked but pulling the button up does not actually unlock the door. I am guessing the rods have become disconnected. How do I open the door?

I can, if needed, and to make access easier to remove door card etc, drill out the hinge bolts so the door will open the wrong way as that is on the list to do anyway to remove the b pillar. I am not familiar with the fancy modern doors with windows that go up and down so I will need talking through all steps in slow time please. I assume the first thing I need to do is remove the door card, so how do I do that with the door closed?
 
Just look in it's general direction and it will crack and fall off.

Failing that, there's screws in the grab handle (assuming 2nd row doors have them - it's been so long since I took the cards off mine!) and the window winder generally has a circlip thing that you have to flex in the card a bit to get to. Don't loose the clip, they're proper overpriced to replace.

Once those bits are done, you just prise it off around the edges and watch it crack up, and all the clips break off. And the clip retainers in the card.

That company beginning with N does a repair kit. Which is similarly expensive to the winder circlip.


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julianf said:
Failing that, there's screws in the grab handle (assuming 2nd row doors have them - it's been so long since I took the cards off mine!) and the window winder generally has a circlip thing that you have to flex in the card a bit to get to. Don't loose the clip, they're proper overpriced to replace.
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Many thanks, I knew the grab handle was screwed in it was how to get the winder handle off that I was at a complete loss with.

If it crumbles away that is not the end of the world, and if the clips break that is also not the end of the world. I have the early 110 ali sliding window tops and plan on getting the matching bottoms to fit proper series style doors to match the front. The only reason for being a little carful with it is to retain some form of resale value but there is very little of the steel components of the door left!
 
Some of the winders screw on - the center cap prices out and there's a screw under, but most are the circlip. Again, some amount of inward flex is needed on the card to get to the clip.

If you're getting rid of the passenger side winder mechanism (regulator) let me know. The one on ours is stuck in the up position (not the worst place to fail!) and I don't care enough to spend new price on fixing it - but if one is being broken and the parts sold, I may well be game.

I've not even looked at the driver's side. That's probably stuffed too, so let me know what your flogging when you get around to that point, would you?
 
julianf said:
Some of the winders screw on - the center cap prices out and there's a screw under, but most are the circlip. Again, some amount of inward flex is needed on the card to get to the clip.

If you're getting rid of the passenger side winder mechanism (regulator) let me know. The one on ours is stuck in the up position (not the worst place to fail!) and I don't care enough to spend new price on fixing it - but if one is being broken and the parts sold, I may well be game.

I've not even looked at the driver's side. That's probably stuffed too, so let me know what your flogging when you get around to that point, would you?
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managed to get the door card off, the window winder was a screw on type rather than a circlip which made things easier. although it took me a little while to find the screw hidden behind the internal opening latch!

When I say there is very little of the door left i do mean that, the drivers door disintegrated on removal I feel the door card might have been a critical structural member! The passenger is in better condition but not by much. If you need parts form it, they will be up for sale once I have finished the replacement doors.

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Apologies for the omission.

I think (not sure) that you may need to sell the regulator with the glass, which would probably rule me out -

I think that with that winder (the hex screw on one) the connection between the glass and the runner thing is different.

I'm not certain (and I'll check) but the circlip windows have the usual glue on clips on the bottom of the glass, but the earlier ones had a channel kind of clamped around the bottom of the glass.

...which isn't a problem, but IIRC you can't mix and match.
 
julianf said:
Apologies for the omission.

I think (not sure) that you may need to sell the regulator with the glass, which would probably rule me out -

I think that with that winder (the hex screw on one) the connection between the glass and the runner thing is different.

I'm not certain (and I'll check) but the circlip windows have the usual glue on clips on the bottom of the glass, but the earlier ones had a channel kind of clamped around the bottom of the glass.

...which isn't a problem, but IIRC you can't mix and match.
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Not a problem, I will post up on here in the for sale section when they are available and will try and remember to drop you a not when I am done with them
 
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