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Sorry you mis read me - I wa bored WITHOUT this thread. There was a whole 90+ minutes with no one posting......I nearly turned the TV on :eek:

I love a good argument, even when it gets pointless because it's going round in circles.


ANyway, a serious point.


THere is a BIG difference between what is right (or beleived to be right) and what id perceived to be right.


Even if you convince everybody on here that 18 vehicles is perfectly in the right, and you should fight for that right - it won't change the fact that people (and I mean the people that complain and get lanes closed) do think it's wrong.


My landy makes less emissions than a porsche, a merc, a BMW, a Mini FFS, but people still want to ban me off the road because it's a 4x4.

Yes you've got to fight them.....but in the right way at the right time.

Fighting for 18 vehicle convoys is not the right fight - it's not winnable and IMHO pointless beacuse that number of vehicles isn't fun to do anyway!!! You can't even have a decent chat round the camp fire with more than 10 peeps.

Anyway, wife wants coffee making....back in 5 :D

That's a fair comment, Tim, but when did you last see a greeny / bobblehead / whatever you want to call them concede anything? The "fight" is too one-sided for me and the more these people are appeased then the more they win by attrition.
 
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None of these posts mention other trips, do they?

So how then do you justify stating that everything that 90boy wrote was horse****, because you went on a trip 14months after the one he commented on and they didn't do the same things on both trips?

Or were you too stupid to notice the date the post was made?
 
Surely by saying "Everything written here is horse****" is commenting on the other outings? Were you there? Sounds very much like you are defending some people on a very weak footing unless you are of course lying like ****.:nospamhere:


Mr Si ??? How long is there left before he gets booted :mad:
 
Is that an offer, Gertie - or just wishful thinking?:D


Exsqueeze me?????

I reckon you've got the wrong specs on Daft, as well as our "No 1 Protrax fan" dear little Jimmy; - are you going to be accusing me of being a bloke next???? :hysterically_laughi


I'm going to do this in large print, so the thick tw@t might get it:
Little Jimmy, get this, you will not convince anyone here with your extremely flawed rantings, now go away and stop wasting our bandwidth :rolleyes:
 
Hi I was on Happy Valley last weekend just me and a mate we were about half way across the lane by where the under water gate is, then we met the protrax off road club doing one of there wild wales weekend which you see in the mag. There were 18 landrovers in a row and we were forced to back up a good half mile, i think this shows why a lot of the lanes around there are geting so tore up !!!!!!!! ITS NOT ON REALY GOING TO WRECK IT FOR THE REST OF US

Here is the OP again. The one that I called horse****. [ETA : the subsequent agreement of other posters who weren't even there was included in the horse**** comment]

How can he say that 18 Land Rovers have "torn up" the valley. What damage did they do that "THE REST OF US" (meaning your own 18 or so Land Rovers) wouldn't do? There was no tearing up when I was there and I can't see how there could have been if they stuck to the road.

No. I'm sorry. This started as an anti-Protrax thread because that is what it is. It's just slagging someone off for the sake of it. The thrust of the OP is that he was mildly inconvenienced and then makes up a reason for slagging them off.
 
That's a fair comment, Tim, but when did you last see a greeny / bobblehead / whatever you want to call them concede anything?

Last time they argued with me - I told you, I like a good fight:D


The "fight" is too one-sided for me and the more these people are appeased then the more they win by attrition.

You are part right here, it is very 1 sided.

But that means they can pick any old fight they like and probably win.....it really does count towards closing a lane if just 1 person says they were a bit annoyed. Crazy, but true.

We are badly out gunned, and you should realise that that means we have to pick the fights we can win and make sure we win them, not waste time on fighting for pointless things just because there are 'right'. Those fights would have to have fair sides, which we ain't got.


They win by attrition because we pick the wrong fights, and there are enough idiots out there to give them ammo.
 
Here is the OP again. The one that I called horse****.

How can he say that 18 Land Rovers have "torn up" the valley. What damage did they do that "THE REST OF US" (meaning your own 18 or so Land Rovers) wouldn't do? There was no tearing up when I was there and I can't see how there could have been if they stuck to the road.

No. I'm sorry. This started as an anti-Protrax thread because that is what it is. It's just slagging someone off for the sake of it. The thrust of the OP is that he was mildly inconvenienced and then makes up a reason for slagging them off.

But this trip was 14months before your trip you thick **** and as you weren't there you don't know what 90boy saw. However you have decided because that didn't happen in your trip then it couldn't have possibly happened at all. Therefore the OP was horse****e ? Surely the logic of an idiot??
 
Exsqueeze me?????

I reckon you've got the wrong specs on Daft, as well as our "No 1 Protrax fan" dear little Jimmy; - are you going to be accusing me of being a bloke next???? :hysterically_laughi


I'm going to do this in large print, so the thick tw@t might get it:
Little Jimmy, get this, you will not convince anyone here with your extremely flawed rantings, now go away and stop wasting our bandwidth :rolleyes:

Err, you're the one posting in the thread that I resurrected. If you stopped looking in here then you might not get so riled. Large text doesn't help the bandwidth love.
 
Here is the OP again. The one that I called horse****. [ETA : the subsequent agreement of other posters who weren't even there was included in the horse**** comment]

How can he say that 18 Land Rovers have "torn up" the valley. What damage did they do that "THE REST OF US" (meaning your own 18 or so Land Rovers) wouldn't do? There was no tearing up when I was there and I can't see how there could have been if they stuck to the road.

No. I'm sorry. This started as an anti-Protrax thread because that is what it is. It's just slagging someone off for the sake of it. The thrust of the OP is that he was mildly inconvenienced and then makes up a reason for slagging them off.

"can therefore say with authority that everything written so far here is horse****"

Can you....were you there???
 
But this trip was 14months before your trip you thick **** and as you weren't there you don't know what 90boy saw. However you have decided because that didn't happen in your trip then it couldn't have possibly happened at all. Therefore the OP was horse****e ? Surely the logic of an idiot??

Are you capable of discussing or even arguing without abuse? Let's see.

Do you know what 90boy saw? Have you even been to Happy Valley or on a Protrax event?

"It" couldn't have happened. What do you mean by "it"? What events are you describing because I think you've got so carried away with hating me that you've forgotten what it is your actually talking about.
 
Are you capable of discussing or even arguing without abuse? Let's see.

Do you know what 90boy saw? Have you even been to Happy Valley or on a Protrax event?

"It" couldn't have happened. What do you mean by "it"? What events are you describing because I think you've got so carried away with hating me that you've forgotten what it is your actually talking about.

Do you know what 90boy saw???? Nope:nospamhere:
 
Last time they argued with me - I told you, I like a good fight:D




You are part right here, it is very 1 sided.

But that means they can pick any old fight they like and probably win.....it really does count towards closing a lane if just 1 person says they were a bit annoyed. Crazy, but true.

We are badly out gunned, and you should realise that that means we have to pick the fights we can win and make sure we win them, not waste time on fighting for pointless things just because there are 'right'. Those fights would have to have fair sides, which we ain't got.


They win by attrition because we pick the wrong fights, and there are enough idiots out there to give them ammo.

Tim - I understand what you are saying and you are, of course, right about being outnumbered. My point is that as soon as you concede one iota that common sense is not true or that black is in fact white to someone then they are starting to win. Give someone an inch and they'll take a mile. Arguments are not won on strength, they are won by logic.
 
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