fuel brands

nickcc · Jan 11, 2012

Depends what you want to believe, if you want to believe they improve performance and engine life, improve mpg and are good for the planet then that is what you'll believe, on the other hand if you think that they are just a marketing ploy to increase sales then no amount of persuading will change your mind. I personally believe that all of the above apply and if I had the choice I would only buy Shell fuel with additives, this is my view and is not impartial as Shell pay my pension

jeffers 57 · Jan 11, 2012

there is one supermarket i would buy from waitrose its bp with all the additives in diesel and petrol.if you run petrol then try supermarket super as it has no ethanol in it roughly same price as unleaded in branded outlets. as ordinary unleaded has 10% ethanol in it.

Singvogel · Jan 11, 2012

jeffers 57 said:
there is one supermarket i would buy from waitrose its bp with all the additives in diesel and petrol.if you run petrol then try supermarket super as it has no ethanol in it roughly same price as unleaded in branded outlets. as ordinary unleaded has 10% ethanol in it.

Thank for that jeffers - good to know.

Unfortunately for us Scottish persons there are only 3 Waitrose in the whole of Scotland - more are planned I believe.

Mr Noisy · Jan 11, 2012

joe1972 said:
I have always preferred Shell. Diesel or Petrol. Most of the motors I've had (not just Landys) prefer Shell. My RRC's like Optimax/Vpower petrol a lot, n run smoother and start better on it.
Have tried /used supermarket fuel many times....and most times have noticed the difference. For the couple of pence saving I just can't see the logic & wouldn't bother

Hi mate

Do you think it's really worth me giving v-power a go in the disco?

Extra 7 pence per litre?!

Surely I'm not going to earn that much back in economy though?

Cheers

jeffers 57 · Jan 11, 2012

v power/ultimate diesel is good on long runs only engine runs smoother ( i think ) twice the additives,i don't think the consumption any better in town ie work and back little better on motorways'

dwabbit · Jan 11, 2012

I only use my local independant garage his fuel is straight out the tank no addertives.
I work at an oil terminal and seen how they up the ron with addertives.
Instead of buying high grade fuel they buy the cheap crap and some addertives to up the ron from about 90 ron to 98ron this is for petrol. that why i uses the non addedto good stuff. I suspect the supermarkts do the same

Hippo · Jan 12, 2012

nickcc said:
Depends what you want to believe, if you want to believe they improve performance and engine life, improve mpg and are good for the planet then that is what you'll believe, on the other hand if you think that they are just a marketing ploy to increase sales then no amount of persuading will change your mind. I personally believe that all of the above apply and if I had the choice I would only buy Shell fuel with additives, this is my view and is not impartial as Shell pay my pension

I see different garages every day. All with happy motorists filling wiv fool. If the supermarket ones were selling crap fool, then peeps would realise. But what do those filling up at BP know that supermarket fillers don't know? Is the benefit financial, ie betterer mpg? Is it betterer reliability due to less wear? How would my hippo benefit if I stopped filling him wiv sainsburys normal pertol un fed him on the betterer sainsburys fool or moved to bp, esso etc? Peeps tend to shop on price. But value for money is also a factor. Hence hwy most buy cheaper fool perhaps...

garfie · Jan 12, 2012

Supermarkets generally buy from the majors (Shell, Chevron, Esso etc) and take from their terminals. The fuel for the major supermarkets will include the additives and is in fact no different.

ps I'm a tanker driver

nickcc · Jan 12, 2012

garfie said:
Supermarkets generally buy from the majors (Shell, Chevron, Esso etc) and take from their terminals. The fuel for the major supermarkets will include the additives and is in fact no different.

ps I'm a tanker driver

Sorry but you are incorrect.

As I stated earlier additives are injected at the loading gantries and who gets what is controlled by the drivers swipe card. Major oil companies do not supply their own additives to other oil companies or third parties (supermarkets etc)

Most, but not all, drivers have no idea how the additive or supply system operates as this would be considered not to be part of their job, also most, if not all, drivers are now contractors who also have no interest in how the systems operate.

Regarding Waitrose selling BP fuel, if a supermarket displays BP, Esso, Shell etc signage then that fuel will be supplied by that oil company, if the signage is that of the supermarket then that fuel will be supermarket fuel and is very unlikely to contain any additives.

Singvogel · Jan 12, 2012

Thanks for that clarification Nick.

I am with you on this - a better informed person could not be found. No disrespect meant to the tanker driver - garfie.

I feel that there are a load of honest, genuine people around, who disbelieve others because they cannot themselves see what it is the others see or find. (Oh dear, I sound like a psychiatrist)

I have done as accurate tests as any member of the public could, I think.

Journeys the entire length of the UK on one brand of fuel, and on to the other side of Europe staying with the same major brand.

400 -500 miles per day for 4 days straight, is enough for me to compare Esso with Shell and BP etc.

The high-tech fuels definitely give better results - both power and mpg, (but perhaps not both at the same time) while the supermarket fuels give poorer results and a smoky exhaust.

No more comparisons are needed for me anyway.

As for Waitrose - which we don't have in Scotlandshire - do they really display BP signs at their supermarkets? Surely if they do then it must be correct, or BP would be objecting, and I expect it could be easily tested.

I would buy from Sainsbury, if it was displayed as BP Ultimate Diesel. That would be a genuine saving.

Regards, Singvogel.

jeffers 57 · Jan 12, 2012

garfie said:
Supermarkets generally buy from the majors (Shell, Chevron, Esso etc) and take from their terminals. The fuel for the major supermarkets will include the additives and is in fact no different.

ps I'm a tanker driver

you also have a additive key round here which you can fill up with non add or another terminal different numbers for additives or non additives

jeffers 57 · Jan 12, 2012

nickcc said:
Sorry but you are incorrect.

As I stated earlier additives are injected at the loading gantries and who gets what is controlled by the drivers swipe card. Major oil companies do not supply their own additives to other oil companies or third parties (supermarkets etc)

Most, but not all, drivers have no idea how the additive or supply system operates as this would be considered not to be part of their job, also most, if not all, drivers are now contractors who also have no interest in how the systems operate.

Regarding Waitrose selling BP fuel, if a supermarket displays BP, Esso, Shell etc signage then that fuel will be supplied by that oil company, if the signage is that of the supermarket then that fuel will be supermarket fuel and is very unlikely to contain any additives.
i know waitrose has additive as i load and deliver that fuel (not a sub contractor)

nickcc · Jan 12, 2012

i know waitrose has additive as i load and deliver that fuel (not a sub contractor)

Hello jeffers 57

Are you saying that you are employed by BP or BP's main contractor. When you next deliver to waitrose have a look to see if there is the BP signage displayed on the forecourt as this will indicate if the fuel contains BP additive. Do you load at a BP supplied terminal/refinery or another oil company terminal/refinery as if you are delivering from a non BP supplied source and your product contains BP additive then there must be a BP additive system installed at your pick up point.

All the Majors have exchange agreements where they pick up from each others terminals/refineries where they don't have their own facilities in that area, but they also have their own dedicated additive systems at these locations.

garfie · Jan 13, 2012

As far as I'm aware, Tesco buy additised fuel from the majors. I was surprised when I was told this as I thought they wouldn't / couldn't.

Certainly most small companies have unadditised fuels and yes that is controlled by the key or card system.

Majors do indeed take from each others terminals but as stated they have their own additives stored there.

nickcc · Jan 13, 2012

garfie said:
As far as I'm aware, Tesco buy additised fuel from the majors. I was surprised when I was told this as I thought they wouldn't / couldn't.

Certainly most small companies have unadditised fuels and yes that is controlled by the key or card system.

Majors do indeed take from each others terminals but as stated they have their own additives stored there.

The only fuel that might contain additives is Tesco's Momentum 99 petrol. As far as i know Tesco, like British airways, buy their own fuel off the spot market which is then stored with other oil companies fuel in various distribution terminals. Knowing the way Tesco operate I can't really see them paying extra for additives (Im not saying this is the case as I don't know the answer) but if they did I'm pretty sure they would be letting the world know as it would certainly increase the footfall within their stores.

As you can probably tell I find this a very interesting subject so any more feedback would be most welcome.

fikwit · Jan 13, 2012

i work in refinery in central scotland and all the standard fuel comes out of the same 4" connection, even the cherry it just gets some dye in in a big mixer tank so after working there for 20yrs and watching the asda, tesco, morrisons ,shell and bp tankers etc all filling up from the same filling bay i suggest going where ever is cheapest.

Mr Noisy · Jan 13, 2012

fikwit said:
i work in refinery in central scotland and all the standard fuel comes out of the same 4" connection, even the cherry it just gets some dye in in a big mixer tank so after working there for 20yrs and watching the asda, tesco, morrisons ,shell and bp tankers etc all filling up from the same filling bay i suggest going where ever is cheapest.

Kinda sums it up then...

Singvogel · Jan 13, 2012

Mr Noisy said:
Kinda sums it up then...

No, Mr Noisy - I don't think it does.

No disrespect to fikwit but I feel that he does not have access to the 'bigger picture' and the overall scheme of this.

Nickcc was employed in the administration of this stuff and I'm inclined to think that he has more insight into this.

Let's listen to what some more folks think, please - the jury is still out!

Mr Noisy · Jan 13, 2012

I'm ready to listen!

fikwit · Jan 13, 2012

Never mind no disrespect nothing, i work in the terminal in grangemouth and other than the premium fuels its all the same if you or anyone else thinks a trunk driver has a magic key that works the factory like a massive soda stream is off their head.

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