Front Barake Pipe routing.

border · Feb 6, 2020

Well here I go again, I'm trying to do half a dozen Different jobs all at once, ordered parts for some of them,.
At the moment I'm on with Sills, Lowering Rad, Steering Barrel, sorting out Engine Harness, and other things I've forgot.
Anyway whilst I'm waiting for parts, one thing I need to do is Pipe the front Brakes up, Rears are all in. I have brand new callipers and braided hoses already fitted but haven't run brake pipe along yet. It needs to go from passenger side to T Piece then down to Slave where the rear is plugged in.
Has anyone got any pics so I can get a good idea of how to route the pipe along front axle.
Can only find vids on youtube for later models. Mine is 1987 110

Flossie · Feb 6, 2020

It doesn't go on the front axle.
Clipped on the top of the chassis, goes engine side of the front turrets and across the front crossmember under the rad.

border · Feb 6, 2020

Flossie said:
It doesn't go on the front axle.
Clipped on the top of the chassis, goes engine side of the front turrets and across the front crossmember under the rad.

Thanks got a bit of an idea now, was going to run it along the axle like the rear . Where abouts does the T Piece bolt too ?

Hicap phill · Feb 7, 2020

Have you got a bias valve on the bulkhead?cant remember if both fronts through this
Or T piece by offside front turret

mick 1986 · Feb 7, 2020

Flossie said:
It doesn't go on the front axle.
Clipped on the top of the chassis, goes engine side of the front turrets and across the front crossmember under the rad.

border said:
Well here I go again, I'm trying to do half a dozen Different jobs all at once, ordered parts for some of them,.
At the moment I'm on with Sills, Lowering Rad, Steering Barrel, sorting out Engine Harness, and other things I've forgot.
Anyway whilst I'm waiting for parts, one thing I need to do is Pipe the front Brakes up, Rears are all in. I have brand new callipers and braided hoses already fitted but haven't run brake pipe along yet. It needs to go from passenger side to T Piece then down to Slave where the rear is plugged in.
Has anyone got any pics so I can get a good idea of how to route the pipe along front axle.
Can only find vids on youtube for later models. Mine is 1987 110

Front passenger side, should run along the top of the bulkhead, almost the same route as the slave cylinder pipework, not along the front crossmember.
Front drivers side, goes down the bulkhead and along the chassis rail.

Both pipes route behind the front springs, and into the flexis. I will see if I have any photos from mine, if not, pop into YRM and ask if you can have a look at their project. It’s got both front wings off so you can easily see the brake pipe routing.

mick 1986 · Feb 7, 2020

border said:
Well here I go again, I'm trying to do half a dozen Different jobs all at once, ordered parts for some of them,.
At the moment I'm on with Sills, Lowering Rad, Steering Barrel, sorting out Engine Harness, and other things I've forgot.
Anyway whilst I'm waiting for parts, one thing I need to do is Pipe the front Brakes up, Rears are all in. I have brand new callipers and braided hoses already fitted but haven't run brake pipe along yet. It needs to go from passenger side to T Piece then down to Slave where the rear is plugged in.
Has anyone got any pics so I can get a good idea of how to route the pipe along front axle.
Can only find vids on youtube for later models. Mine is 1987 110

Found some photos.
The pipe for the passenger side front comes from the master cylinder, onto the top of the footwell, up towards the driver, up and over the top of the fuel filter towards the passenger.

Just before the passenger side bulkhead wiring grommet, it bends down towards the passenger footwell.

Then it continues down the passenger side footwell until it meets the chassis rail. Along the chassis rail almost to the spring seat, and through into the wheel well. You can see the impression in the heat/sound mat next to the clutch line. The brake pipe is bent up in this photo, so it was out of the way for removing the bulkhead.

Flossie · Feb 7, 2020

mick 1986 said:
Found some photos.
The pipe for the passenger side front comes from the master cylinder, onto the top of the footwell, up towards the driver, up and over the top of the fuel filter towards the passenger.
View attachment 199949

Just before the passenger side bulkhead wiring grommet, it bends down towards the passenger footwell.
View attachment 199950

Then it continues down the passenger side footwell until it meets the chassis rail. Along the chassis rail almost to the spring seat, and through into the wheel well. You can see the impression in the heat/sound mat next to the clutch line. The brake pipe is bent up in this photo, so it was out of the way for removing the bulkhead.
View attachment 199951

That's nothing like mine lol!
Mines a 1985 and I've just nipped out to have a look because it was late and I was tired when I posted last night and thought maybe my memory wasn't quite right?
Anywhoo... Can't get any pics cos it's a bit gloomy and I'm off out in a bit but my pipe runs along the offside chassis rail and across the rear of the front crossmember and then down along to the nearside turret area.
Non of my pipes run across the bulkhead except the clutch pipe.

turrican · Feb 7, 2020

My 1993 90 is like this

zeaphod · Feb 7, 2020

On my '85 90" the pipe to the passenger fronts runs across the bulkhead (clipped in), and as stated above, generally follows the run of the clutch pipe to the chassis rail.
My brake splitter is almost directly below the master cylinder, mounted on a bracket bolted to the chassis.

Flossie · Feb 7, 2020

zeaphod said:
On my '85 90" the pipe to the passenger fronts runs across the bulkhead (clipped in), and as stated above, generally follows the run of the clutch pipe to the chassis rail.
My brake splitter is almost directly below the master cylinder, mounted on a bracket bolted to the chassis.

Well, this is a bit weird....
I completely rebuilt my 110 16 yrs ago and made my own brake pipes following the route of the old ones. I wonder if a previous owner had piped it differently and I've copied that?

border · Feb 7, 2020

Thanks for pics Mick
It must depend on what year it is, think they changed in 1991 . Just I was told that mine run along the front so just assumed they would go along axle like the rears.
Found this mine has rear drum brakes and No ABS. https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams...ng-systems/hoses-pipes/front-rear-drums_52924
Here are other years. https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-rover-defender-braking-systems/hoses-pipes

Hicap phill · Feb 7, 2020

Mine ran round the front of the chassis & had rivnuts in place.aboue the power steering pipes.
This was a special vehicle(British Gas) when built
Don’t run them on the front axle it will get damaged.

border · Feb 7, 2020

Hicap phill said:
Mine ran round the front of the chassis & had rivnuts in place.aboue the power steering pipes.
This was a special vehicle(British Gas) when built
Don’t run them on the front axle it will get damaged.

Think I really need to see one same age as mine to copy.

mick 1986 · Feb 8, 2020

border said:
Thanks for pics Mick
It must depend on what year it is, think they changed in 1991 . Just I was told that mine run along the front so just assumed they would go along axle like the rears.
Found this mine has rear drum brakes and No ABS. https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams...ng-systems/hoses-pipes/front-rear-drums_52924
Here are other years. https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-rover-defender-braking-systems/hoses-pipes

That top link looks to me like it’s for a 90, not a 110. The pipes go into the bias valve just after the master cylinder, 110s don’t have that.

border · Feb 8, 2020

Found this today https://forums.lr4x4.com/topic/94864-early-110-front-brake-pipe-t-junction-routing/ looks like it's same as mine

Flossie · Feb 8, 2020

Pic from the above link.
Same as mine

I was starting to think I had an oddball layout

border · Feb 8, 2020

Flossie said:
Pic from the above link.
Same as mine
I was starting to think I had an oddball layoutView attachment 200121

What year is yours Mate ? mines 1987

Flossie · Feb 8, 2020

Flossie said:
That's nothing like mine lol!
Mines a 1985 and I've just nipped out to have a look because it was late and I was tired when I posted last night and thought maybe my memory wasn't quite right?
Anywhoo... Can't get any pics cos it's a bit gloomy and I'm off out in a bit but my pipe runs along the offside chassis rail and across the rear of the front crossmember and then down along to the nearside turret area.
Non of my pipes run across the bulkhead except the clutch pipe.

Hicap phill · Feb 9, 2020

@Flossie
I like how he has put vented disks on that earlier photo

that’s the way mine runs no photos of the build. Replace them plastic clips with clamps

border · Feb 9, 2020

Got to have a look at one yesterday same year as mine and they were run round the front along underside of Radiator. First time Ive done brake lines but had a go today , took Rad off to get a better view, just need to take them to my local Landy place to get the ends put on.

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