Freelander2 can't get it started!

JokerUK · Nov 29, 2023

Hi all, after lots of servicing activity last weekend including changed throttle body and fuel filter I can't get the car started.
There are no codes on SDD (there were before I change the TB)

I ran the SDD process for new TB which completed successfully.

I suspected that it was an air in diesel issue as I had not previously read about the bleeding process and although I 'believe' I've bled it using the process in the manual it will not start.

Please can anyone give me some direction

Regards

Steve

Nodge68 · Nov 29, 2023

Have you used the correct priming pump to fill the fuel system after changing the filter?

JokerUK · Nov 29, 2023

Nodge68 said:
Have you used the correct priming pump to fill the fuel system after changing the filter?

Well…..I’ve used a priming pump which has seen prior service , but definitely not the Land Rover part number recommended….how much trouble am I in …?

Nodge68 · Nov 29, 2023

All the priming pump does is pull fuel through the system, as the lift pump doesn't pull against air very well.

What make fuel filter did you use? There are some rubbish aftermarket fuel filters about which don't seal properly, which means the lift pump will only pull air through the system.

JokerUK · Nov 29, 2023

Nodge68 said:
All the priming pump does is pull fuel through the system, as the lift pump doesn't pull against air very well.

What make fuel filter did you use? There are some rubbish aftermarket fuel filters about which don't seal properly, which means the lift pump will only pull air through the system.

I got a service kit from Maltings 4x4 - not sure what the fuel filter make was - I will investigate

JokerUK · Nov 29, 2023

I assume it is a coopers one as that is what they list separately https://maltings4x4store.co.uk/land...oopers-freelander-2-2-2-fuel-filter-lr001313/

Nodge68 · Nov 30, 2023

JokerUK said:
I assume it is a coopers one as that is what they list separately https://maltings4x4store.co.uk/land...oopers-freelander-2-2-2-fuel-filter-lr001313/

That should be OK. From memory the Coopers filter box contains an OE Purflux filter, which are the best make to use.
All you need to do is pull the fuel through the system with a priming pump.

Dar ran Dar ran · Nov 30, 2023

Welcome to the wonderful world of freelanders
hope you get sorted and it’s in a garage ? A bit cold for driveway messing

JokerUK · Nov 30, 2023

Dar ran Dar ran said:
Welcome to the wonderful world of freelanders
hope you get sorted and it’s in a garage ? A bit cold for driveway messing

garages are for wimps.....

actually I'd love to be in the garage but :
my project '68 Jag S-Type is in there
and my Project 4.2 SC RR Sport is on the hard standing at the side of the garage
and my project Defender is on the hard standing at the rear of the garage...

so the FL is on ramps on the gravel drive - it was supposed to be a quick turn-around for my daughter

yes I know - too many projects too little time!

JokerUK · Nov 30, 2023

Nodge68 said:
That should be OK. From memory the Coopers filter box contains an OE Purflux filter, which are the best make to use.
All you need to do is pull the fuel through the system with a priming pump.

Thanks Nodge, I will try again - I'm assuming that the following the workshop manual (as I've been doing is the way to go - putting the pump between the inlet pipe from the tank and the filter. This effectively pulls fuel from the tank , pushes it through the filter to the injectors and back to the tank return pipe at the filter pushing any air with it.

I'm wondering if I should disconnect the filter return and feed to a jar/bottle so I can see that fuel is actually being pushed through with no air

Nodge68 · Nov 30, 2023

JokerUK said:
Thanks Nodge, I will try again - I'm assuming that the following the workshop manual (as I've been doing is the way to go - putting the pump between the inlet pipe from the tank and the filter. This effectively pulls fuel from the tank , pushes it through the filter to the injectors and back to the tank return pipe at the filter pushing any air with it.

I'm wondering if I should disconnect the filter return and feed to a jar/bottle so I can see that fuel is actually being pushed through with no air

That would work. The most important thing is to make sure there are no air leaks between the filter and lift pump, as it won't pull fuel if there are.
Letting the return fuel spill so you can see it is a good plan.

I've got the pump for the job, the instructions say to suck the fuel through on the return side (that's how in interpreted them), but I can't see it makes much difference, other than no dirt can be introduced on the return side of the pump.

Dar ran Dar ran · Nov 30, 2023

JokerUK said:
garages are for wimps.....

actually I'd love to be in the garage but :
my project '68 Jag S-Type is in there
and my Project 4.2 SC RR Sport is on the hard standing at the side of the garage
and my project Defender is on the hard standing at the rear of the garage...

so the FL is on ramps on the gravel drive - it was supposed to be a quick turn-around for my daughter

yes I know - too many projects too little time

JokerUK said:
garages are for wimps.....

actually I'd love to be in the garage but :
my project '68 Jag S-Type is in there
and my Project 4.2 SC RR Sport is on the hard standing at the side of the garage
and my project Defender is on the hard standing at the rear of the garage...

so the FL is on ramps on the gravel drive - it was supposed to be a quick turn-around for my daughter

yes I know - too many projects too little time!

Joker by name
……….you must be mad

JokerUK · Nov 30, 2023

Dar ran Dar ran said:
Joker by name
……….you must be mad

yup - just ask Mrs Joker lol

JokerUK · Dec 2, 2023

Nodge68 said:
That would work. The most important thing is to make sure there are no air leaks between the filter and lift pump, as it won't pull fuel if there are.
Letting the return fuel spill so you can see it is a good plan.

I've got the pump for the job, the instructions say to suck the fuel through on the return side (that's how in interpreted them), but I can't see it makes much difference, other than no dirt can be introduced on the return side of the pump.

Morning! Its cold and frosty and I'm not making progress!
It *appears* that I can't push fuel through the high pressure pump I've tried a bleeding bulb on both inlet and outlet of filter, I cannot push anything through the filter, so I connected the bulb to the outlet and tried to push onward toward the pump but nothing. I then disconnected the pipe at the top of the pump and of course I can pump fuel out of it from the filter.
Given it was working before I started everything - is there something I could have done to cause it to be blocked in some way - all advice welcome!

Nodge68 · Dec 2, 2023

JokerUK said:
Morning! Its cold and frosty and I'm not making progress!
It *appears* that I can't push fuel through the high pressure pump I've tried a bleeding bulb on both inlet and outlet of filter, I cannot push anything through the filter, so I connected the bulb to the outlet and tried to push onward toward the pump but nothing. I then disconnected the pipe at the top of the pump and of course I can pump fuel out of it from the filter.
Given it was working before I started everything - is there something I could have done to cause it to be blocked in some way - all advice welcome!

I've not come across that issue. Normally fuel flows through the system easily, assuming the hoses are connected to the filter correctly, and the ignition isn't on.
Fuel flows through the filter, into the clear lift pump hose, through the combined lift pump/hp pump, then out the pressure control valve back to the filter.
Maybe you have a faulty filter?

JokerUK · Dec 2, 2023

No - don't think its the filter - I've taken the filter out of the equation by connecting the the outlet. I can suck fuel through the filter - I just can't push anything through the pump - I've just removed the high pressure feed from the fuel rail and still cant pump anything through. Just reading about the Pressure Control Valve on the rail and VCV on the pump - not sure if they can block the flow - ignition is off with key out. It feels like the pump is blocked in some way

JokerUK · Dec 2, 2023

ok removed the hp pump - the low pressure side appears compltrely blocked so I assume some sort of lift pump failure - just going to order a whole new pump which is a pain but feels the best solution

Nodge68 · Dec 2, 2023

JokerUK said:
ok removed the hp pump - the low pressure side appears compltrely blocked so I assume some sort of lift pump failure - just going to order a whole new pump which is a pain but feels the best solution

That's very strange to happen while the engine isn't running, it's strange to happen at all really.

JokerUK · Dec 2, 2023

Nodge68 said:
That's very strange to happen while the engine isn't running, it's strange to happen at all really.

yup it's official - I've taken a working car and broken it!
On the bright side with the pump off it's given good access to change the thermostat housing that was dripping...

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