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I'm slightly more optimistic, given that A. their €5,000 price is after subsidies and B. they are only using itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dotted batteries, enough to move a fiat 500 ~100km / 60 miles if you drive it sensibly and lean on the regenerative braking, and C. nothing was said about power / performance, so don't expect blistering performance from expensive motors. So aye, I reckon it could be done for €8k, but I wouldn't expect hellish much from it. What I did think was maybe of interest to Ali was that these guys see a market for reasonably priced EV conversions, perhaps this could be something for you to consider as a career in the future?
 
Jayridium said:
I'm slightly more optimistic, given that A. their €5,000 price is after subsidies and B. they are only using itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dotted batteries, enough to move a fiat 500 ~100km / 60 miles if you drive it sensibly and lean on the regenerative braking, and C. nothing was said about power / performance, so don't expect blistering performance from expensive motors. So aye, I reckon it could be done for €8k, but I wouldn't expect hellish much from it. What I did think was maybe of interest to Ali was that these guys see a market for reasonably priced EV conversions, perhaps this could be something for you to consider as a career in the future?
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LOL, I hate to say it but I'm far more interested in winding down towards retirement than starting a new career. :p
 
So after two days working at the ac charger
IT'S WORKING!!!!! :D

I connected the PP (proximity Pilot) lead from the Leaf charger socket to ground via a 220R resistor
The CP (control pilot) lead goes to the charger pin 9
Hooked up the HV leads to the switched side of the contactors.
Connected the low voltage connector as described here. https://openinverter.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Outlander_DCDC_OBC
Plugged in the granny charger and as expected nothing as I hadn't sent any CAN messages yet.

I tried using code from Openinverter.org but couldn't get it to work. I don't have the right hardware so maybe that was the reason, I'm not sure but decided to try sending the CAN messages another way and after a few hours tweaking someone elses code it's now working.

The messages sent were
msg ID 0x285 data 00 00 B6 00 00 00 00 00 every 100ms
msg ID 0x286 data 28 0F 78 37 00 00 0A 00 every 800ms

I don't have any cooling yet so didn't leave it charging for long but saw the battery pack voltage rising from 350V to 351V.
I still need to confirm it will cut off at 390V as one of the guys over there said it should but I'm not sure I have everything connected correctly for this to happen.

This is a massive step as it is it means I have pretty much everything under the bonnet in place and working so now need to tidy everything up.
 
Alibro said:
I make such a mess of the videoing it takes me a full day to edit a 20 to 30 minute video.
Mucho chopping and cutting. :p
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I'm much more crude Ali. I try to record videos as I want them to playback, although this does mean I forget my lines quite a lot. :(
 
Alibro said:
I make such a mess of the videoing it takes me a full day to edit a 20 to 30 minute video.
Mucho chopping and cutting. :p
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Let me preface this post by explaining that the points that follow aren't meant to detract from your video making, merely trying to share some knowledge to make your life easier....
  • Davinci / Resolve Black Magic is free for personal use, and leverages the GPU (Graphics Card) for the video editing and processing
    • Just for clarity it's worth noting that I use the terms Da Vinci / Resolve / Black magic all referring to the one application
    • GPU acceleration take a lot of the lag out of the editing process, you know the cut - wait - slide - wait - paste - wait palava
    • With it leveraging the graphics card's thousands of processing cores, rather than the say 4 cores on your CPU, even on relatively modest hardware, it can drag, slide, move and edit the timeline in realtime.
    • The interface is reasonably intuitive, and there is a metric F**K tonne of tutorial videos on youtube
    • It's a really powerful program that makes it pretty easy to do fancy stuff such as picture in picture
      • Say you wanted to see the instrument binnacle, a multimeter on the 12v subsystem, and the laptop screen showing the can messages as you turned on the ignition and thus powered up the 12v DC-DC subsystem
      • Record them with three cameras / phones or two cameras and a screen capture program on the laptop
      • Put the tracks into davinci stacking the three video tracks, kill the sound from two of them keeping the sound from the track that hears your voice best
      • Resize and or crop two of the videos down, in much the same way as you resize a picture in an email or a word document
      • Drag the resized smaller video tracks around the shot as you wish
      • You could then end up with a video whereby the laptop screen was the main video picture and the multimeter and instrument binnacle being thumbnail sized videos in the corners like the sign language interpreter / copresenter in the news
    • (IIRC) There are even drawing tools in davinci so you can for talking sakes put an arrow on screen pointing at a component rather than have to lean in camera in one hand and point with the other hand at something makes it easier to record
    • SFX such as green screening are slightly less intuitive but after a couple of youtube videos you learn to think within the node based paradigm and would be able to do some fancy stuff without too much difficulty
  • Powerpoint is also good for laying out graphics, great for visualising a concept, a picture is worth a thousand words etc
    • Powerpoint can export slides to PNG picture format which you can import to black magic, quite handy for visualising what you are discussing
    • You can also export powerpoint animated slides to video and put the exported powerpoint animation video clip on the top track of the video with your voice being the soundtrack talking through the animation
  • Powerpoint and Black Magic work so well together, and both are pretty easy to use, and allow you to create some really professional looking videos
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve is where to get the program
an example of the sort of wide community support and video tutorials
 
Jayridium said:
Let me preface this post by explaining that the points that follow aren't meant to detract from your video making, merely trying to share some knowledge to make your life easier....
  • Davinci / Resolve Black Magic is free for personal use, and leverages the GPU (Graphics Card) for the video editing and processing
    • Just for clarity it's worth noting that I use the terms Da Vinci / Resolve / Black magic all referring to the one application
    • GPU acceleration take a lot of the lag out of the editing process, you know the cut - wait - slide - wait - paste - wait palava
    • With it leveraging the graphics card's thousands of processing cores, rather than the say 4 cores on your CPU, even on relatively modest hardware, it can drag, slide, move and edit the timeline in realtime.
    • The interface is reasonably intuitive, and there is a metric F**K tonne of tutorial videos on youtube
    • It's a really powerful program that makes it pretty easy to do fancy stuff such as picture in picture
      • Say you wanted to see the instrument binnacle, a multimeter on the 12v subsystem, and the laptop screen showing the can messages as you turned on the ignition and thus powered up the 12v DC-DC subsystem
      • Record them with three cameras / phones or two cameras and a screen capture program on the laptop
      • Put the tracks into davinci stacking the three video tracks, kill the sound from two of them keeping the sound from the track that hears your voice best
      • Resize and or crop two of the videos down, in much the same way as you resize a picture in an email or a word document
      • Drag the resized smaller video tracks around the shot as you wish
      • You could then end up with a video whereby the laptop screen was the main video picture and the multimeter and instrument binnacle being thumbnail sized videos in the corners like the sign language interpreter / copresenter in the news
    • (IIRC) There are even drawing tools in davinci so you can for talking sakes put an arrow on screen pointing at a component rather than have to lean in camera in one hand and point with the other hand at something makes it easier to record
    • SFX such as green screening are slightly less intuitive but after a couple of youtube videos you learn to think within the node based paradigm and would be able to do some fancy stuff without too much difficulty
  • Powerpoint is also good for laying out graphics, great for visualising a concept, a picture is worth a thousand words etc
    • Powerpoint can export slides to PNG picture format which you can import to black magic, quite handy for visualising what you are discussing
    • You can also export powerpoint animated slides to video and put the exported powerpoint animation video clip on the top track of the video with your voice being the soundtrack talking through the animation
  • Powerpoint and Black Magic work so well together, and both are pretty easy to use, and allow you to create some really professional looking videos
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve is where to get the program
an example of the sort of wide community support and video tutorials
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Thanks mate, none taken. :eek:

LOL, only kidding, I need any help I can get so will defo take a look at it, I currently use Shotcut which works well but has some issues and is stupidly complicated to do some simple things.

So I see they are asking for a lot of information. :mad:
I'm not a fan of giving all my personal details to download it and just noticed the download is 2.5Gb. Ouch Why is it so big?

I'll report back when I've tried it.;)
 
Or don't worry about what you say during the video. Then cut boring bits, and add a talk-over afterwards. That way you can just describe what matters & what the video shows ??
 
pwood999 said:
Or don't worry about what you say during the video. Then cut boring bits, and add a talk-over afterwards. That way you can just describe what matters & what the video shows ??
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But that is just more work then and I'm trying to speed up the editing process. ;)
I do cut out a lot of boring stuff tho. :oops:
 
You got those connectors from me! Glad they got to you ok.

I did a similar thing to you, spent weeks trying to charge with my Prius inverter, gave up when I tripped out the mains and killed my teensy. Got the Outlander charger working in a couple of days as well.

You definitely don't want to be running it out with cooling for very long, doesn't take all that much to cool it but it does get pretty hot inside without it.
I'm not planning on putting in a radiator in my setup, just a big header tank and pump since my charger is at the other end of the car to everything else. When I did some bench charging I just used that setup and the water never got more than luke warm. But if yours can probably just loop into the inverter cooling loop.
 
Alibro said:
I kinda messed up so the ac to dc vid was made as a complete standalone video and I didn't feel like cutting most of it out since it isn't terrible
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Watched it Ali. Was very interesting, and glad it's working for you. I was going to ask about the BMS, but I assume you'll be doing a video on that at some point.
I'm curious as to how long the battery will take to charge, at the rate the charger will charge at?
 
Wonk said:
You got those connectors from me! Glad they got to you ok.

I did a similar thing to you, spent weeks trying to charge with my Prius inverter, gave up when I tripped out the mains and killed my teensy. Got the Outlander charger working in a couple of days as well.

You definitely don't want to be running it out with cooling for very long, doesn't take all that much to cool it but it does get pretty hot inside without it.
I'm not planning on putting in a radiator in my setup, just a big header tank and pump since my charger is at the other end of the car to everything else. When I did some bench charging I just used that setup and the water never got more than luke warm. But if yours can probably just loop into the inverter cooling loop.
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Cool, thanks mate. They came very quickly so I was able to do the work over the weekend. :)
Yeah the charger was only on for a few minutes so no harm done. I'll not be using it again until I get the coolant flowing, I've already got the Leaf rad fitted so will go with that but will probably seal off the airflow to some extent.
Did you manage to get Arber333 software working, did you send the commands manually or did you do it yourself?
Did you get the charger to stop automatically?
Any advice regarding the HV junction box and automating the charge starting when the J1772 plug pushed in?
Any advice always welcome. Not always followed but always welcome. :p
 
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