Thanks for your advice, yeh I removed battery and charged it to just over 13v and still no joy,as soon as I try turn it over it simply clicks for a few seconds and then silence. I do have a new battery ordered to try. I also charged it via another car for 15 mins and it still didn’t do anything , it’s either complete a defect battery or there’s an issue aswell.In the car the lights , radio and other electrical items all work as if the batteries fine , headlights were full brightness for 10mins before I stopped. It’s really frustrating me this as it’s been a random intermittent fault for last 4 months, what makes it worse was randomly was when I tried usually the spare key and it actually did try turn over then straight away when back to F4