Extended Spring Shackles

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proper brackets for the Hi-Lift.
4x4 Rack ones from Paddocks, I think they were about £20. Fitted them with Stainless Steel Nylocks, drilled through the Roof strengthening bars. The rack uses wing nuts and plates to hold the jack, it allows for a padlock too. Really well made too.
trying to work out where to fit the Waffle Boards now. I've got them on the inside strapped to the spare wheel, which is fine till I use them and they're covered in ****, I've seen them on the bonnet, but probably just end up strapping them to the recovery gear box on the back, until they're washed down
 
Teflon said:
Yours is a 109, Military or Civvy, or 1-tom?
Military LR's had extended shackles on the springs, they are about 1" longer and have a third clamp bolt and spacer between the plates to stop them bowing.
I believe they were also used on the 1-ton, to accomodate over sized 9.00 tyres.
However, the longer shackles on thier own only lift the tail of the spring; military & 1-ton, also got extended spring hangers and dumb irons to put the nose of the spring further away from the chassis.
Without these (welding job to cut mounts & fit extended ones), you only get a part of the ride height increase, but of more concern, you are in effect tilting the axle baclwards; and I seem to recall it's in the region of 5 degres or so; coilers start recomending 'camber correction arms' at lifts that would twist the axles more than 3degrees, so obviousely its in the region of needing attension.
Tilting the axle round, effects the steering geometry and camber angle, as well as altering the operating angles of the propshaft.
Its a lot worse at the front, and on SWB models, which can run into prop yoke binding problems at either end; but its the effect on the steering geometry that's more of a problem, the additional rake and trail that the tilt gives makes the steering even more heavy than it is to start with, and gives a tendancy for the wheel to 'flop' either side of centre, a tendancy made worse by the change in camber angle. so you can gat both heavy and vague nervouse steering!
I've come accross plenty of people that have added extended shackles and 'lived with it' without any kind of camber correction; I've also come accross more than a few that have reported 'horrible' steering, and plenty that have reported alarming Universal Joint wear or failure.
So its not a 'reccomended' mod, without the extended spring hangers.
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Hi, just stumbled across this and I'm thinking you may be the man to stop my hair falling out!

Rebuilding and ex mod 109 on a new galv military 1 ton chassis with extended hangers. Dimesionally from what I can work out everything is the same as a standard s3 bar the obvious such as double relay holes extended hangers etc.

Anyway to the point. My props dont fit! Standard props should fit however it's as if everything needs to be shoved 40mm forward. (Front prop to shorr rear to long.

Will fitting standard shackles rather than the 1 ton extended shackles help toward solving my problem?

Thanks in advance.

Ben
 
Blackburn said:
Was your original a 1 tonne chassis?
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From what I could tell yes. Had extended mounting points, but off x member and twin holes fro steering relay.

From what I know the MOD landrover had same chassis as 1 ton but the engine gear/transfer box were different on 1 ton
 
109 and 1 ton propshafts are different part numbers are the propshafts the originals?
Is the engine and bodywork refitted?
 
Blackburn said:
109 and 1 ton propshafts are different part numbers are the propshafts the originals?
Is the engine and bodywork refitted?
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Engine and gearbox refitted. I cant find a 1 ton rear prop they all seem standard. I can find different front props but the 1 ton prop is shorter than what I have! And it's already to short. Not original props they're new. I still need to change front shackles from 1 ton to std but I dont think itll shift if the amount I need!

Do you have PNs for 1 ton props?
 
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Couple of snaps of parts manual whats your engine by the way as V8 has different again
 

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