Enough is Enough

lynall · Jul 20, 2019

flat said:
Definitely. Must have a sight cooling effect maybe as the oil ‘circulates’?

I change my diff oil every other year

When it was my main car it was engine oils every 5k and all trans oils annually, mainly as all the fluids were foc.

We have loads of BPW trailer alxes at work and they use BPWs own special blue grease and the hub is warranted for 500k and when you take it down the bearings have no grease on them and no wear or any marks at all weird ****!

flat · Jul 20, 2019

lynall said:
When it was my main car it was engine oils every 5k and all trans oils annually, mainly as all the fluids were foc.

We have loads of BPW trailer alxes at work and they use BPWs own special blue grease and the hub is warranted for 500k and when you take it down the bearings have no grease on them and no wear or any marks at all weird ****!

No wear or marks after 500k?? Wow

Henry_b · Jul 20, 2019

LR's are expensive to run, as everyone has said, in certain cases

But i've done 3k in the past few weeks I've had my D2 and nothing has fallen 'orf, yet, however i do all my own work so it really wouldn't matter how tempermental she could be.

I find parts aren't that expensive when researching, especially when compared to the Jag..

Oh and apart from a series a defender has to be one of the simplist and user friendly motors to work on..

Of course Garages will ream you with labour etc etc best get doing stuff yourself, the cost of parts alone is negligable when compared to the labour required for the mec to fit 'em.

lynall · Jul 20, 2019

flat said:
No wear or marks after 500k?? Wow

No they are amazing, another one is SAF, both are German makes and pretty much dominate the market between them, BPW have by far the biggest margin.
After 500k you are either meant to strip and regrease the bearings or replace the hubs for another 500k of trouble free motoring, in reality the hubs get pulled and the brakes done and the hubs chucked back on again for god knows how many more 100ks on the same grease and they literally dont cause any bother.

When I was the boy it was ROR or York axles and they had to be stripped/greased annually otherwise you had failures, lots of them.

Tractor unit hubs will do a million kms on the original hubs with zero issues, ours are sealed greased fronts and oil/grease rears.
Quite a few of our trucks are 1.2/1.3 million kms, original hubs/props etc.

Tim4x4 · Jul 21, 2019

lightning said:
Why did you buy a new ECU when your old one was working fine? You did the right thing, in cleaning and treating the PCB and it was working.
Why swap out a working part.

You are missing the point of the post.
It's not about money it's the shoddy parts supplied as direct replacement by the manufacturer. Not how much they cost, there availability or my choosing to buy its all about taking off the shelf parts that should be good to go for another X amount of miles but they do not work.
You spent £900 on an ECU and sensor, neither of which ended up on the vehicle. I have done the same in the past, and it does tend to make you fed up!

Hippo · Jul 21, 2019

Tim4x4 said:
Please, please, please don't miss my point.
It's not that parts have a useful life span and dependent on how hard the vehicle is used that life span will vary.
It's That parts sold new boxed and ready to be fitted to the vehicle are useless, not fit for purpose. Then the time it takes to get your money back.

Yer have to consider the part you got out the box had a fault. But how many others also bought something which did work out of the box. You were unlucky on this occasion.

lightning · Jul 21, 2019

Fair comment about poor quality parts, it can be frustrating especially when you’ve spent nearly £1,000 and ended up with nothing to show for it.

Disco1BFG · Jul 21, 2019

Gmacz said:
I have a 200tdi - What is a crank position sensor.

You are !

- you have to open the bonnet and then you can sense the crank position either by feel or sight

( normal safety precautions apply

)

Mackers said:
ECU? I don't think I have electronics. I hope not, if all I've got look forward to is your experience. I'm pretty certain there can only be about 50 things that go wrong with mine. I even know I'll need a new engine down the line, but not the things you've listed (I hope).

Your "radio" thingummy doodah has electronics in - and there might be a timer for the intermittent wipers and/or courtesy lights . Plus of course your flasher (

) unit ..... all in .... £50 !

Pappasmurf said:
That is the exact reason why I would never go any more technologically advanced than a 300tdi. You can fix them with a hammer and new parts can be manufactured by a little man in a mud hut in the middle of Africa. I avoid anything that has an ECU, ever since my nightmare with an E46 BMW 320D. Hell, I'd have a carb'd engine in my Ninety if I could.

Amen.

- We agree - which is why we both have 300Tdi's. If they get replaced ( unlikely - think flying pigs ) - then it would be with something OLDER.

Pappasmurf · Jul 21, 2019

Disco1BFG said:
You are ! - you have to open the bonnet and then you can sense the crank position either by feel or sight ( normal safety precautions apply )

Your "radio" thingummy doodah has electronics in - and there might be a timer for the intermittent wipers and/or courtesy lights . Plus of course your flasher ( ) unit ..... all in .... £50 !

Amen. - We agree - which is why we both have 300Tdi's. If they get replaced ( unlikely - think flying pigs ) - then it would be with something OLDER.

I'm a 200tdi man myself.

Tim4x4 · Jul 21, 2019

lightning said:
Fair comment about poor quality parts, it can be frustrating especially when you’ve spent nearly £1,000 and ended up with nothing to show for it.

Stop looking at the money this moan of mine has nothing to do with money what it cost me is really neither here nor there, I only included the price paid to show that gen parts are generally more expensive because of the quality control systems in place at the manufactures cost money, its the customer who has to pay for this. Now clearly no quality control procedures are in place otherwise the crank sensor in this instance would not have left the factory.

Pappasmurf · Jul 21, 2019

Tim4x4 said:
Stop looking at the money this moan of mine has nothing to do with money what it cost me is really neither here nor there, I only included the price paid to show that gen parts are generally more expensive because of the quality control systems in place at the manufactures cost and its the customer who has to pay for this. Now clearly no quality control procedures are in place otherwise the crank sensor in this instance would not have left the factory.

That's JLR for you. Premium prices, vehicles no better than anything from Korea.

Tim4x4 · Jul 21, 2019

Pappasmurf said:
That's JLR for you. Premium prices, vehicles no better than anything from Korea.

Quite!!! JLR market themselves as a premium brand with showrooms that contain more stage props than a Hollywood film stage. They (JLR) fail to live up to the hype they create.

Turboman · Jul 21, 2019

Tim4x4 said:
Quite!!! JLR market themselves as a premium brand with showrooms that contain more stage props than a Hollywood film stage. They (JLR) fail to live up to the hype they create.

That is quite an accurate statement, but it should be borne in mind that the vehicles most of us drive or work on are nothing to do with Jaguar Land Rover, a company of fairly recent inception.
Land Rovers were built by the Rover Company, either as an independent, or as a subsidiary of British Leyland, until the early Nineties, after which I think the company was owned by Ford for a time, until the hiving off of JLR, which was then sold to Tata, who build the current range of SUVs.

Tim4x4 · Jul 21, 2019

Turboman said:
That is quite an accurate statement, but it should be borne in mind that the vehicles most of us drive or work on are nothing to do with Jaguar Land Rover, a company of fairly recent inception.
Land Rovers were built by the Rover Company, either as an independent, or as a subsidiary of British Leyland, until the early Nineties, after which I think the company was owned by Ford for a time, until the hiving off of JLR, which was then sold to Tata, who build the current range of SUVs.

Turboman yes the company has gone through a number of owners since my vehicle was built they have nothing to do with the current company and I totally understand where you are coming from if my moan was about the reliability of my vehicle I would agree that I was talking through my A55.
My moan is about the quality of the spares supplied by the current company which as you said is owned by TATA. The problem is not a poor design but shoddy manufacturing processes, non existent quality control and no regard for the customer.

gymmaniac · Jul 21, 2019

I'm sure it will all be solved with the next defender.....

Tim4x4 · Jul 21, 2019

gymmaniac said:
I'm sure it will all be solved with the next defender.....

Disco1BFG · Jul 21, 2019

@Tim4x4 - I agree with your comments - the quality of parts can be truly shocking - I've just had to re-do my timing belt after the new supposedly OEM seal failed

.

It was an "allmakes" one - despite me ordering a Corteco .....

Replaced with a genuine Corteco now .... but what a PITA ....

Thing is ..... getting rid of your LR will not solve the problem or poor quality parts - Before SWMBO had a D1, she had a Peugeot .... it sufferred with exactly the problem you describe .... and it rapidly became very uneconomic to repair it... Our sons beemer had similar problems with the vanos servo's/motors ( whatever ) and eldest daughters focus had to have its front lower wishbones replaced under warranty due the bottom balljoints being out to lunch when the grease monkey was doing his "bit" at the factory ...

Turboman · Jul 21, 2019

Tim4x4 said:
Turboman yes the company has gone through a number of owners since my vehicle was built they have nothing to do with the current company and I totally understand where you are coming from if my moan was about the reliability of my vehicle I would agree that I was talking through my A55.
My moan is about the quality of the spares supplied by the current company which as you said is owned by TATA. The problem is not a poor design but shoddy manufacturing processes, non existent quality control and no regard for the customer.

Personally, I never deal with JLR at all. As you say, they don't really care about older vehicles, their focus is on selling and servicing the expensive SUVs that they do make.
I tend to go to Paddock motors, or for older vehicles John Craddock. I get the OEM or premium ranges, except for a few things were I know from previous experience that Britpart stuff is fine, like springs, wheels and body parts.
Paddock and Craddock are reasonably priced, and usually a lot more helpful than JLR to boot.

dag019 · Jul 22, 2019

Turboman said:
Personally, I never deal with JLR at all. As you say, they don't really care about older vehicles, their focus is on selling and servicing the expensive SUVs that they do make.
I tend to go to Paddock motors, or for older vehicles John Craddock. I get the OEM or premium ranges, except for a few things were I know from previous experience that Britpart stuff is fine, like springs, wheels and body parts.
Paddock and Craddock are reasonably priced, and usually a lot more helpful than JLR to boot.

I have to agree with the above. Buy OEM from an aftermarket supplier. I do not think I have ever had a part that does not work straight out of the box. I have had a couple of poor quality parts which have failed quickly but that was when I was buying a cheap paert to get me through, and this can usually be prevented by doing a bit of research first and buying OEM. I have also had a couple of parts which have needed to be fettled before they fit, but due to the hand construction of even the later model defedners on the production line this is to be expected as they are not all identical assembled by a robot. Granted I have a 200tdi, but my friend has a td5 which I work on with him and have not had problems with that either. I would be annoyed if I had spent a small fortune on parts that did not work but I would never buy anything form a main dealer as it is identical to the cheaper OEM parts.
I know not the point of the thread but I will also echo @lightning in wondering why these parts were replaced in the first place if the old one was still working. Although I am not advocating no maintenance and waiting for things to fail, with next day or even saem day delivery on a lot of parts ordered on line there is far less need than there used to be for just replacing things with new for the sake of it and paice of mind.

mystery · Jul 23, 2019

the parts are truly shocking what do you expect from a Indian owned company who,s brand is Brit parts sourced from the eastern hemisphere
at western prices depends on the operator's ability to read a gauge or assemble the parts correctly .these days you pays your money and still get
branded **** part's the brand names whether Germany or any EU COMPANY do not mean they are manufactured there and of good quality anymore
make em cheap sell them high seem the new philosophy off most vehicle manufactures including Land Rover

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