L405 Enabling/Coding in Timed Climate for FBH with JLR SDD

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starbuck88

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Hi All,

Hoping someone can help/point in the right direction.

I have the SDV8 with the FBH but I want to enable timed climate to pre-heat the cabin.

I bought SDD Version 164 with a Copy Mongoose Cable.

I have done a DTC read and clear and thats about as far as I can get. It's certainly nowhere near as intuitive as BMWS ISTA Software.

Many thanks in advance and kind regards.
 
You need to be editing the CCF, for which you'll need an engineering code generator.
You can read the CCF before enabling editing to identify what you want to change, I'd suggest changing one parameter at a time, you'll also need a 30-50A charger to maintain the battery voltage over 12.50VDC, or heavy jump leads to a running vehicle during the process.
I hate ISTA, it's the least straightforward system I've ever used - as for the multiple service item resets, why, just why? It's not just me, even the ex-BMW tech at work hates it!
But it wouldn't do if we were all the same, would it...

Which spec level do you have? I've never seen one without timed climate.
 
Graculus said:
You need to be editing the CCF, for which you'll need an engineering code generator.
You can read the CCF before enabling editing to identify what you want to change, I'd suggest changing one parameter at a time, you'll also need a 30-50A charger to maintain the battery voltage over 12.50VDC, or heavy jump leads to a running vehicle during the process.
I hate ISTA, it's the least straightforward system I've ever used - as for the multiple service item resets, why, just why? It's not just me, even the ex-BMW tech at work hates it!
But it wouldn't do if we were all the same, would it...

Which spec level do you have? I've never seen one without timed climate.
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Thank you.

It's a Vogue SE with some optional extras I believe. It's got heated and cooled front and rear seats, massage front seats. Auto Headlamp High beam with cornering bending/directional beams etc. 360 cameras, Digital TV with the dual view screen etc full panoramic roof, deployable towbar.

But it doesn't have the timed climate. It has rest mode for when the cars warmed up but that is all :(

Maybe I've just used ISTA long enough to be able to just 'use it' without having to think or learn.

Is there a way to back up the entire configuration to the laptop before I edit anything in case I mess something up?

How do I see the CCF to see what can be changed before engineering access?

I have a NOCO smart battery charger, there is an option to feed 12v (for changing batteries etc so you don't lose your settings), would this be suitable do you think?

Really appreciate your help so far.

Do you know of an engineering code generator that works?

Kindest Regards
 
That's very odd! with that spec, there should be timed climate included..
However, it's not the first time oddities have slipped in to build specs.
The CCF is already 'backed up' every time you open it, there is the master & backup in the vehicle, the as-built within the downloaded files in SDD and you can also store and upload snapshots (the 'custom' option)
There is a CLI code gen I use, it requires Python to be installed but I find it consistently reliable, unlike the online ones.

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I'd suggest you have a look round SDD & the CCF - and download the offline files for the L405 before you start editing anything - it's probably as arcane to you as ISTA is to me....
There are third part editors, but you still need to use SDD to down & upload the CCF so it makes more sense to me to do it within SDD anyway. You can disconnect the interface and edit the CCF in the comfort of your home, then go back to the vehicle and apply it, there's no need to be connected all the time. Other worthwhile mods are 'superlock on first push of remote', disable seat belt chime (although this can be done manually - as can the most important one, disable passive entry).
What is the output current of your charger? the absolute minimum will be >20A, if it's less, then it won't be enough - unlike M-B, VWG etc., SDD will abort programming on <12.50VDC.

Which part of the UK are you in?
 
Never had a problem with superlock - either my vehicles or customers, the issue with the door latch assemblies is always the primary locking mechanism - the superlock cannot disengage the external controls until the primary lock has moved fully. The same latch is common across other manufacturers, they have the same issues - the L405/494 is an oddity in that it doesn't have the 'superlock first' other models, before & after, do.

'Amplifier' theft is easily blocked, simply by deactivating passive entry ('keyless' is obviously a misnomer)
 
Graculus said:
That's very odd! with that spec, there should be timed climate included..
However, it's not the first time oddities have slipped in to build specs.
The CCF is already 'backed up' every time you open it, there is the master & backup in the vehicle, the as-built within the downloaded files in SDD and you can also store and upload snapshots (the 'custom' option)
There is a CLI code gen I use, it requires Python to be installed but I find it consistently reliable, unlike the online ones.

www.landyzone.co.uk

Everything JLR SDD related (feel free to add experiences/help).

Does anyone know how to access engine tune/map data? Seems like it should be possible It won't be - SDD is 'diagnostics' not reverse engineering, it's written for dealer tech's to use - anything else is done by JLR or Bosch. You can probably get hold of the software the remappers use which will...
www.landyzone.co.uk www.landyzone.co.uk

I'd suggest you have a look round SDD & the CCF - and download the offline files for the L405 before you start editing anything - it's probably as arcane to you as ISTA is to me....
There are third part editors, but you still need to use SDD to down & upload the CCF so it makes more sense to me to do it within SDD anyway. You can disconnect the interface and edit the CCF in the comfort of your home, then go back to the vehicle and apply it, there's no need to be connected all the time. Other worthwhile mods are 'superlock on first push of remote', disable seat belt chime (although this can be done manually - as can the most important one, disable passive entry).
What is the output current of your charger? the absolute minimum will be >20A, if it's less, then it won't be enough - unlike M-B, VWG etc., SDD will abort programming on <12.50VDC.

Which part of the UK are you in?
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I'm in the Southwest

How do I download the offline files for the L405 then? I click on things in SDD and it warns me I need to be connected to the internet etc but ofcourse I have a 'patched' version.

Thank you again for your help on this.
 
Have a read of this thread
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Essentially it's in 'settings', depending upon the patch, you can still download directly once you've enabled network access on the relevant tab, then selected the model range 'new range rover', depending upon configuration, you might have to use a USB stick for offline access.
 
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A few screenshots to get you started
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First, activate the network in 'network options'

sc2.png


Then, go to 'Combined as-built and calibration file update'

SC3.png


Select 'New Range Rover'

SC4.png


Click through a couple of screens, sit back & wait....

Note the network icon (top right) remains red - that's just because the patch prevents access to the logon functions, it doesn't prevent access to the required downloads.
 
Graculus said:
A few screenshots to get you started
View attachment 332577

First, activate the network in 'network options'

View attachment 332578

Then, go to 'Combined as-built and calibration file update'

View attachment 332579

Select 'New Range Rover'

View attachment 332580

Click through a couple of screens, sit back & wait....

Note the network icon (top right) remains red - that's just because the patch prevents access to the logon functions, it doesn't prevent access to the required downloads.
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Omg thank you so much!

I’ll get this done.

Do you know what needs editing in the ccf to enable the timed climate?

when I edit the ccf how long does it take to program the car?

As I’ll likely only do this one ‘mod’ I’ll have my other car running connect with jump lead’s whilst it programs.

Once again, thank you ever so much for your help, it’s really very much appreciated!!
 
Uploading to the vehicle takes a single number of minutes, as I said, you can edit the CCF offline (i.e. disconnected from the vehicle) I'll have a dig around for the relevant lines.
 
Unfortunately the only CCF copy I have to hand is from mine, which is a petrol - but does have timed climate.
The only relevant entry I can find with a quick scan is this one - check what yours is set to, most likely it'll be mode 2, change it to mode 3. It may take a couple of ignition cycles for the change to propagate - and make sure you're editing the master, not backup CCF.

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The screenshot above is from a third party application which is useful for searching for the required setting, you still have to use SDD to download & upload the CCF so personally I prefer to do the edit within SDD.

Depending upon your MY, there may be other settings requiring changing - note that mine shows park heater as 'not fitted', even though it is, I believe this address is for another type of heater fitted to later MY's.

The Seat heat calibration is a useful one to tweak if you find the 'full-on' setting to be either side of comfortable.
 
Thank you.

I can’t seem to download the asbuilt and calibration files. It says I can do it via another PC using usb. Will that be ok?
 
Yep, just follow the prompts - it'll copy a small file & a folder onto a USB stick, then plug that into another PC, run the executable as 'administrator' and it should download the required files
 
Unfortunately it's not working, I have done this but when I plug it into the other PC it says error no file to download.

Should this still be working on v164? I've just read I might need 165 on a windows 10 machine and not a windows 7 machine?
 
Not sure TBH - I've not tried V165 on Win7 and I've not used V164 for many months. One thing you could do is start the process of CCF loading and then take a note of the *.vbf files required which I could then attach to a post on here, It'll be time-consuming though. Other than that, there is a post on the thread link above with a download link to a SDD VM with all the .vbf included - it's all models though so about 80GB IIRC, you could then extract the files from that. It'd probably take longer but you wouldn't be backward & forwards to the car looking for the next missing file.
 
I am in the process of installing 165 on a Win10 VM. I just followed the instructions I got with the cable from a UK Seller hence why I thought I had to install it on Windows 7.

After much reading, looks like you now need 165 on a Win10 machine but the patches still work...apparently.

Will report back once installed.
 
Looks like it's working. woop woop. Appears to be about 6600 files to download, does that seem correct? I haven't yet connected to the vehicle or put in the Vin yet, I went straight to the asbuilt and calibration download...
 
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