EGR pipe is a goner

Datatek · Jan 25, 2013

wammers said:
If you have an earlier engine fitted it is tested to the regulations in force for the year of the engine. But you must provide paperwork to prove it.

Not here it's not, enter VIN in MOT computer and it brings up the spec and check list. changing bits like engines cannot be done legally without going through a check procedure and logging the new engine number to the VIN

wammers · Jan 25, 2013

Datatek said:
Not here it's not, enter VIN in MOT computer and it brings up the spec and check list. changing bits like engines cannot be done legally without going through a check procedure and logging the new engine number to the VIN

That is why you have to provide paperwork to prove it. It is not something they have to take your word for. At least that's what they do here.

Datatek · Jan 25, 2013

wammers said:
That is why you have to provide paperwork to prove it. It is not something they have to take your word for. At least that's what they do here.

But here you cannot down spec the emissions stuff, it has to comply with the year regs. That's not to say people don't do it and get away with it.

Grit Valve · Jan 25, 2013

wammers said:
If you have an earlier engine fitted it is tested to the regulations in force for the year of the engine. But you must provide paperwork to prove it.

Are you saying all rangers will not pass because of possible engine changes ie a 1999 fitted with a non egr engine?

rodntod · Jan 25, 2013

If i blank both ends until a new pipe arrives what are the implications ??
Would it be better to disconnect vacuum pipe or leave on??

Grit Valve · Jan 25, 2013

wammers said:
Will that not cause an hot spot? The EGR port is then blocked by the EGR valve about 12 mm further along from where the penny sits. Same difference to me.

Then it needs to be held open by Suction held open and vacume pipe blocked if Diaphragm has no leaks it should hold or make a holding tool

Grit Valve · Jan 25, 2013

rodntod said:
If i blank both ends until a new pipe arrives what are the implications ??
Would it be better to disconnect vacuum pipe or leave on??

Leave it on if blocked it makes no differance

rangerovertoy · Jan 25, 2013

your missing clip is a p clip with nylon/rubber/poly bush in it,they are known to break without it due as you guessed to vibration, blocking both ends takes ten mins and is not a problem with hotspots,basically if you blank the bottom it makes the exhaust manifold a non egr manifold and gas flow is normal,all through the turbo!

dave4x4 · Jan 25, 2013

Datatek wrote:

Originally Posted by dave4x4
Or fit the Allisport one which looks identical to the original. The pipe stays in place but doesn't go anywhere. No one is any the wiser.

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Waste of cash, just remove or block the vacuum pipe that actuates the valve

There are lots of EGR removal kits on the market. The Allisport one I fitted is, I admit, a bit over the top and more expensive. However it looks identical to the original (except for the Allisport sticker!). All the pipes fit the same. It is well made. Welding is first class. If you want cheap use a penny (or a cent).

Nothing to worry about when I go for an MOT.

There was an unbelievable amount of **** in the old EGR valve.

Grit Valve · Jan 25, 2013

rangerovertoy said:
your missing clip is a p clip with nylon/rubber/poly bush in it,they are known to break without it due as you guessed to vibration, blocking both ends takes ten mins and is not a problem with hotspots,basically if you blank the bottom it makes the exhaust manifold a non egr manifold and gas flow is normal,all through the turbo!

nobody has been blocking manifold end they have been blocking egr end I guess becuase its quicker and less Hassle

Grit Valve · Jan 25, 2013

dave4x4 said:
Datatek wrote:

There are lots of EGR removal kits on the market. The Allisport one I fitted is, I admit, a bit over the top and more expensive. However it looks identical to the original (except for the Allisport sticker!). All the pipes fit the same. It is well made. Welding is first class. If you want cheap use a penny (or a cent).

Nothing to worry about when I go for an MOT.

There was an unbelievable amount of **** in the old EGR valve.

It's not the same looking it has no egr sticking out of the side look!!!!

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wammers · Jan 25, 2013

defender300td1 said:
Are you saying all rangers will not pass because of possible engine changes ie a 1999 fitted with a non egr engine?

No i am not saying that. If you have a 1996 say Range rover that needs a full cat test for MOT. If you fit a 1992 engine in it that did not require the full cat test and you can provide paperwork to prove the engine is genuine. Then the emissions test would be done to 1992 standards not a full cat test.

Grit Valve · Jan 25, 2013

wammers said:
No i am not saying that. If you have a 1996 say Range rover that needs a full cat test for MOT. If you fit a 1992 engine in it that did not require the full cat test and you can provide paperwork to prove the engine is genuine. Then the emissions test would be done to 1992 standards not a full cat test.

That's not what I ment a 1999 egr model fitted with a non egr engine !

rodntod · Jan 25, 2013

cheers for the input as always guys .It's getting blocked off in the morning

dave4x4 · Jan 25, 2013

defender300tdi wrote:

It's not the same looking it has no egr sticking out of the side look!!!!

The only thing I can say is that when it is all bolted up with the metal EGR pipe on, the intercooler hose on and the rubber flexi pipe on, it looks like the original.

You would have to be a p38 anorak (like me) to spot the difference. The picture you posted rotates through 90 deg when it is bolted up.

wammers · Jan 25, 2013

defender300td1 said:
Then it needs to be held open by Suction held open and vacume pipe blocked if Diaphragm has no leaks it should hold or make a holding tool

Why would you want to hold the EGR open? You have lost me here. If you block the EGR pipe with a penny at the manifold end it will get no hotter than it gets unblocked. If it's blocked why would you want to hold EGR valve open?

wammers · Jan 25, 2013

defender300td1 said:
That's not what I ment a 1999 egr model fitted with a non egr engine !

It does not matter what year it is up to about 2004 i think. If you fit an earlier engine that cannot meet the full cat emissions test and can prove it. The engine is tested to the emissions standard of the time of it's manufacture.

wammers · Jan 25, 2013

dave4x4 said:
Datatek wrote:

There are lots of EGR removal kits on the market. The Allisport one I fitted is, I admit, a bit over the top and more expensive. However it looks identical to the original (except for the Allisport sticker!). All the pipes fit the same. It is well made. Welding is first class. If you want cheap use a penny (or a cent).

Nothing to worry about when I go for an MOT.

There was an unbelievable amount of **** in the old EGR valve.

A totally pointless waste of money. It won't add anything to the performance, so why not just if you want to do away with EGR, just block the existing one off.

wammers · Jan 25, 2013

dave4x4 said:
defender300tdi wrote:

The only thing I can say is that when it is all bolted up with the metal EGR pipe on, the intercooler hose on and the rubber flexi pipe on, it looks like the original.

You would have to be a p38 anorak (like me) to spot the difference. The picture you posted rotates through 90 deg when it is bolted up.

If it's the one in the photo it looks nothing like the original. A tester would have to be blind not to see that.

Grit Valve · Jan 26, 2013

wammers said:
If it's the one in the photo it looks nothing like the original. A tester would have to be blind not to see that.

Yes if its not got a Diaphragm sticking out the side like in this photo and what was on your original

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when if these new regs come in your probably be busted

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