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if they change the design hope they do it better than the new range rover it is hideous,
love them or loath them landies are an institution
love them or loath them landies are an institution
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I like the new Range Rover :- ). As much as I don't want the Defender to change, it has to really. But I dont see why they need to change it into something completely different. It's supposed to be a utility vehicle. If people wanted something else they'd get a FL2 or a disco of a slitty or whatever.
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it sounds like all bad news, but tbh Jaguar Land Rover havent ####ed anything up since they got together a few years back.
all the recent offerings under both marques have been incredible!
all the recent offerings under both marques have been incredible!
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Yeah i've been pleased with everything from JLR so far, been in the new XF 3.0 sport, - amazing and the d4 3.0 also awesome. And have sat in numerous others JLRS. Really good. I have a feeling they are about to fook it up with the Defender though. Its gonna be some unibody, independently sprung CAR...
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getting to high tech with electrics controling everything for an everyday workhorse
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you need to see what the new farm tractors and combines have in them, amazing
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What a cock.
What they actually mean is
"Our predecessors who designed and built the original series and subsequent defender did too good a job at designing it so it could be repaired and kept going in the field, this means there are still a lot out there, even 60 years on. This is really bad for business as, although we get a small cut from pattern parts, we make very little money off them, so, we need to design something more in line with modern cars, something which will be in the scrapyard by the 10th birthday. That'll keep the share holders happy."
Gerry McGovern should be shafted up the harris with a barb wire dildo then thrown into the gutter, what he knows about Land Rover utilities and £2 wouldn't buy a cup of coffee. I've owned Land Rovers for the best part of 30 years (new and used) but take the Defender out of the equation, I would be looking at foreign over any of the current crop. I would sooner the Defender name die than that twot come up with a replacment.
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What we need is a vehicle with less electronics, keep it simple. If Land Rover don't do it the Japs or the Russians will.
The replacement will have to follow EU legislation
Pedestrian impact safety
Fuel efficacy
Roughly a 10 year end of life built in redundancy
Then, combine the above bull **** with the fact that Landrover have stated that they obviously want to sell the replacement in big numbers and more cheaply we are looking at a replacement that by default will most probably be monocoque. Clunky serviceable oily bits of days gone by will be replaced with electronics to reduce weight and production costs, I'm thinking Freelander platform derivative with independant suspension, maybe some small design cues from the Defender but I would imagine they will be at most with the lights and some small body form. The original shape ie, the brick design, with solid axles, bulkhead, chassis, riveted construction, and a obsession about axle articulation will not be incorporated in to the next generation these features are not that inmportant to the mass markets.
It also seems that the Cheif designer has no love for the current Defender either, which does not bode well for us who happen to think the brick design is a reassuring item to have around, in a world where every manufactured item has to change every 3 years for the sake of design and increased sales because the item now has to be shiny black or white.
What if the replacement is awful? What realistically are we going to do to inform them of our displeasure? Nothing, that's what we will do, as in reality we are not Landrover customers, or neither are Landrover bothered about the enthusiast (I hate that term) Why?
Because we have old land rovers that probably fell out of the clutches of any dealer network decades ago and the generation of vehicles we own are derived from the 1940s an era where items were produced to last and be serviceable.
If we are all honest we are still impressed that the Defender has lasted so long in its 1983 guise, put that in the pot, add some disdain from the cheif designer, sprinkle some EU legislation in, then garnish with mass produced production techniques, and serve with a need for increased global sales and profit. The result will be a vehicle that sells off the back of its now dead heritage in foreign expanding markets, and it will most probably sell well, I suppose we can still consul ourselves that the badge will still be the same.
Pedestrian impact safety
Fuel efficacy
Roughly a 10 year end of life built in redundancy
Then, combine the above bull **** with the fact that Landrover have stated that they obviously want to sell the replacement in big numbers and more cheaply we are looking at a replacement that by default will most probably be monocoque. Clunky serviceable oily bits of days gone by will be replaced with electronics to reduce weight and production costs, I'm thinking Freelander platform derivative with independant suspension, maybe some small design cues from the Defender but I would imagine they will be at most with the lights and some small body form. The original shape ie, the brick design, with solid axles, bulkhead, chassis, riveted construction, and a obsession about axle articulation will not be incorporated in to the next generation these features are not that inmportant to the mass markets.
It also seems that the Cheif designer has no love for the current Defender either, which does not bode well for us who happen to think the brick design is a reassuring item to have around, in a world where every manufactured item has to change every 3 years for the sake of design and increased sales because the item now has to be shiny black or white.
What if the replacement is awful? What realistically are we going to do to inform them of our displeasure? Nothing, that's what we will do, as in reality we are not Landrover customers, or neither are Landrover bothered about the enthusiast (I hate that term) Why?
Because we have old land rovers that probably fell out of the clutches of any dealer network decades ago and the generation of vehicles we own are derived from the 1940s an era where items were produced to last and be serviceable.
If we are all honest we are still impressed that the Defender has lasted so long in its 1983 guise, put that in the pot, add some disdain from the cheif designer, sprinkle some EU legislation in, then garnish with mass produced production techniques, and serve with a need for increased global sales and profit. The result will be a vehicle that sells off the back of its now dead heritage in foreign expanding markets, and it will most probably sell well, I suppose we can still consul ourselves that the badge will still be the same.
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you're right, those of us on here who do have newer stuff rarely have newer 90's / 110's - it tends to be Discos and R/R's and gaylanders. It's mainly businesses that can afford new 90's and 110's as work vehicles and when they become affordable toys for the "general public / enthusiast" we buy them and off-road them and alike.
On the plus side, there is such a huge market around the old land rovers there will always be the option to rebuild a complete rot box on a new chassis so they should be around for a very long time to come
Exactly, I buy new cars, but would never contemplate buying a new Defender, as they are not much better than a older one with the issues worked out, maybe with slightly less rust, the Defender replacement will be in part the one we deserve.
I guess Landrover are no longer proud that 60% or so of the vehicles they made are still going? GM, Toyota or Ford would have never thought that a great business strategy.
Unimog anyone?
I guess Landrover are no longer proud that 60% or so of the vehicles they made are still going? GM, Toyota or Ford would have never thought that a great business strategy.
Unimog anyone?
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We have been spoilt with the defender being churned out identical for so long, it's like jeep carrying on the TJ forever, sure the yanks would have loved it if they did!
So look on the bright side, we have had 30 good years of defender, that's a LOT of parts and panels lying around that us mucky lot will be able to pick from for years to come.
If land rover need to make a new defender to stay in business and keep uk folk in jobs and keep the parts network going then I say fair play.
We can't expect them suits at the top to have even the slightest idea of the joys of trodging around an oil soaked scrap yard or burying your beam axled landy up to the wing mirrors in ****, so I say let them do what they need to do, and thanks for keeping the defender as we know it for so long.
Shame it couldn't have carried on, but hey life is **** these days with red tape and regulation, but we'll be reyt for a while yet.
And plus, Richard makes chassis, you can buy axles anywhere, you can even build them from parts if you need to, you can put any engine and gearbox in there that you may desire, and body parts are easily sourced, so if you can't buy one, build your own!
So look on the bright side, we have had 30 good years of defender, that's a LOT of parts and panels lying around that us mucky lot will be able to pick from for years to come.
If land rover need to make a new defender to stay in business and keep uk folk in jobs and keep the parts network going then I say fair play.
We can't expect them suits at the top to have even the slightest idea of the joys of trodging around an oil soaked scrap yard or burying your beam axled landy up to the wing mirrors in ****, so I say let them do what they need to do, and thanks for keeping the defender as we know it for so long.
Shame it couldn't have carried on, but hey life is **** these days with red tape and regulation, but we'll be reyt for a while yet.
And plus, Richard makes chassis, you can buy axles anywhere, you can even build them from parts if you need to, you can put any engine and gearbox in there that you may desire, and body parts are easily sourced, so if you can't buy one, build your own!
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And plus, Richard makes chassis, you can buy axles anywhere, you can even build them from parts if you need to, you can put any engine and gearbox in there that you may desire, and body parts are easily sourced, so if you can't buy one, build your own!
Who will be the first to transplant the "good stuff" from the new thing into a traditioinal 90?! Drive train, engine, g/b, suspension... (computers, ecu's sensors, sensors, sensors, sensors)
The fact is Landrover is not British owned, still manufactured in the UK for now, but the aspirations and thought processes of a foreign owner are going to be different than that of a native, the UK/ European market is less of an priority now compared to the Chinese and Indian markets where in the next 30 years we will see a transference of wealth from the Western economies to these regions, for the last 50 years the balance of wealth has been 80% in favour of the Western world and the remaining 20% spread out between the developing worlds, in 30 years we will see it reversed to 85%/15% in favour of China, India and some South American countries. These are the markets LR are posturing for, the future markets of mass sales and global profits led by an Indian who is significant part of India's industrial sector, this is why the Defender has to go. If Landrover was still in British ownership I do believe it would be gone now as a brand and mostly from what I have seen coming from Jaguar Landrover is pretty good, and the investment they are making with new production facilities is to be commended, but somewhere lurking in my mind, is the niggle that the profits go abroad to foreign shores. Maybe it's for the best they kill off the Defender as it does not represent the old Landrover brand as we know it.
Manderin classes anybody?
Manderin classes anybody?
The problem is that Land Rover have to make what the law allows and buyers will buy. Not what enthusiasts like. That is why most people wanting a utility vehicle buy a Toyota or the like and not a Defender.
It was good while it lasted, but the world moves on.
It was good while it lasted, but the world moves on.
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Jeep still got the JK tho, which is like the older jeeps. Don't think we will be getting a jk - like Defender. If the suspension is independent, it will just be the same as any other 4x4 on the market. And will be limited off road without serious modification.
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