P38A E10 - anyone had issues?

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I'm doing my usual lazy part of posting before doing any work.

My 2000 4.0 has been fine for ages but just put half a tank of E10 in before getting a haircut. Came back, started driving back and idle is somewhat erratic and low when sitting at lights with foot on the brake or in park or neutral. Got home and after reversing to park, in to park and it almost cut out - lights came on but it caught itself just in time and came back.

I'll get it on Nanocom in due course but the only difference really has been the e10. Was diving yesterday without issue at all.
 
domino said:
I'm doing my usual lazy part of posting before doing any work.

My 2000 4.0 has been fine for ages but just put half a tank of E10 in before getting a haircut. Came back, started driving back and idle is somewhat erratic and low when sitting at lights with foot on the brake or in park or neutral. Got home and after reversing to park, in to park and it almost cut out - lights came on but it caught itself just in time and came back.

I'll get it on Nanocom in due course but the only difference really has been the e10. Was diving yesterday without issue at all.
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The car didn't recognise you after having your ears lowered and thought it was being knicked.:eek::D
 
If your car doesn't have a sensor for ethanol content, you need to get it mapped to handle E10. Modern metal is fine on it, our old busses not so much. From memory E10 likes to be a little rich.
Tends to be around 200 notes to get an E10 map done. E5 is only available on premium fuels for about a year or so. Meaning everyone with an older bus needs to get a map... no doubt they'll push E15 in a year or 2.
 
Bix said:
If your car doesn't have a sensor for ethanol content, you need to get it mapped to handle E10. Modern metal is fine on it, our old busses not so much. From memory E10 likes to be a little rich.
Tends to be around 200 notes to get an E10 map done. E5 is only available on premium fuels for about a year or so. Meaning everyone with an older bus needs to get a map... no doubt they'll push E15 in a year or 2.
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Ethanol burns slower so it can help if you advance the ignition timing slightly.

I would have thought the o2 sensor would help a bit so maybe go for a ride until the trims adapt.

No issues with my oil burner at all. :)
 
domino said:
I'll get it on Nanocom in due course but the only difference really has been the e10. Was diving yesterday without issue at all.
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Maybe the stronger cleaning action of the higher ethanol content fuel has dislodged some muck, which has found its way to an injector or two?
The engine should be fine, as it was sold in the US, and they've been using E85 fuel for many years.
 
Grrrrrr said:
Ethanol burns slower so it can help if you advance the ignition timing slightly.

I would have thought the o2 sensor would help a bit so maybe go for a ride until the trims adapt.

No issues with my oil burner at all. :)
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As I understand it, ethanol is usually beyond the scope of adjustment for standard maps on older cars. Even on cars that can trim for it, you'll get a drop in MPG. So much greener when you have to use more.

Seems most owners forums of older vehicles are having the same dramas. Either remap for E10 or ride out the more expensive E5 premium fuel. But when that has to switch to E10 they'll be in the same boat again.
 
Bix said:
As I understand it, ethanol is usually beyond the scope of adjustment for standard maps on older cars. Even on cars that can trim for it, you'll get a drop in MPG. So much greener when you have to use more.

Seems most owners forums of older vehicles are having the same dramas. Either remap for E10 or ride out the more expensive E5 premium fuel. But when that has to switch to E10 they'll be in the same boat again.
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When I was a lad, we had Cleveland Discol which contained methanol, never caused a problem with old tech, that's progress for you.
Not sure if my 35 year old MR2 is OK with E10, it's the plastic parts that suffer from what I have read.
 
Datatek said:
When I was a lad, we had Cleveland Discol which contained methanol, never caused a problem with old tech, that's progress for you.
Not sure if my 35 year old MR2 is OK with E10, it's the plastic parts that suffer from what I have read.
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Ay up Keith, it is so recommended that the fuel filter is changed more often as well. ;)
 
Bix said:
If your car doesn't have a sensor for ethanol content, you need to get it mapped to handle E10. Modern metal is fine on it, our old busses not so much. From memory E10 likes to be a little rich.
Tends to be around 200 notes to get an E10 map done. E5 is only available on premium fuels for about a year or so. Meaning everyone with an older bus needs to get a map... no doubt they'll push E15 in a year or 2.
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I dont know about this mapping bit, it might be a bit of a bugger on my petrol car i mean how do you remap a set of points and condenser:rolleyes:
 
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