Doing the un-thinkable

Turboman · Dec 14, 2020

110specialvehicle said:
Yeah. It was never even considered to use the td5 ecu. We would always have used the donor ecu and engine

That was why I asked about the existing engine. If your 110 was older, it wouldn't have had any electronic management at all, which might have made life easier in some ways, but more difficult in others.

lynall · Dec 14, 2020

Width might be an issue, the cast alloy sump is really wide.

110specialvehicle · Dec 14, 2020

lynall said:
Width might be an issue, the cast alloy sump is really wide.
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Yeah you might be right. I'll have to measure the space when I'm home... Thanks for the forewarning

110specialvehicle · Dec 15, 2020

lynall said:
Width might be an issue, the cast alloy sump is really wide.
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Spoke to dad and he had already considered it. He also said its the same engine in his toureg and scoda superb and one of there sumps would probibally solve it if theres an issue.

adrian hogg · Dec 16, 2020

i would talk to someone like Simtek at Rochdale and or some of the guys in VW forums.. I fear an ECM from 2006 VW will not be easy to convert to run the engine as a "stand-alone unit" it will look for many communications from ABS/Gearbox and even a myriad of "body control" functions all of which are transmitted in modernish cars via can-bus.
DONT FORGET it will probably be full to the brim with "Cheat Software" to fudge emissions lol

110specialvehicle · Dec 16, 2020

adrian hogg said:
i would talk to someone like Simtek at Rochdale and or some of the guys in VW forums.. I fear an ECM from 2006 VW will not be easy to convert to run the engine as a "stand-alone unit" it will look for many communications from ABS/Gearbox and even a myriad of "body control" functions all of which are transmitted in modernish cars via can-bus.
DONT FORGET it will probably be full to the brim with "Cheat Software" to fudge emissions lol

Thanks.
Thats exactly the info i need.

I fear the ecm will be the most complicated part of the project

adrian hogg · Dec 16, 2020

personally i am not a big fan of any VW oiler. try this ANV-LR1 | Blacksmithgarage

110specialvehicle · Dec 16, 2020

adrian hogg said:
personally i am not a big fan of any VW oiler. try this ANV-LR1 | Blacksmithgarage

What do you mdan by oiler? The engine as a whole?

Im not masavly fussed as to what goes into it tbh.

I quits like the td5 thats in it if it wasnt for some steep hills.

The main draw to the vw/audi powerlant is that its there sitting at my dads and free.

Theres also some advantage to it being fhe same engine that is in my dads toureg so spares parts on the shelf.

But the ecu issue might kill the project. Ive contacted a range of ecu buders progrMmers and tuners hopefully some or all of them will provide valuable information.

Cheers.

Turboman · Dec 16, 2020

110specialvehicle said:
What do you mdan by oiler? The engine as a whole?

Im not masavly fussed as to what goes into it tbh.

I quits like the td5 thats in it if it wasnt for some steep hills.

The main draw to the vw/audi powerlant is that its there sitting at my dads and free.

Theres also some advantage to it being fhe same engine that is in my dads toureg so spares parts on the shelf.

But the ecu issue might kill the project. Ive contacted a range of ecu buders progrMmers and tuners hopefully some or all of them will provide valuable information.

Cheers.

An oiler is an engine that runs on heavy oil, commonly known as a diesel.

110specialvehicle · Dec 16, 2020

Turboman said:
An oiler is an engine that runs on heavy oil, commonly known as a diesel.

Thanks for clearing that up.

lynall · Dec 16, 2020

I think cummins do a v8 car crate engine, ie drop it in and ti runs, bet thats cheap!

https://www.cummins.com/engines/repower

Turboman · Dec 16, 2020

lynall said:
I think cummins do a v8 car crate engine, ie drop it in and ti runs, bet thats cheap!

https://www.cummins.com/engines/repower

If I was going to re-engine a Defender, which I am not, I would go for a 6 cylinder BMW petrol engine.
There would be several advantages to doing this. One being that it is a good engine, another being that it was fitted as a standard option in South Africa, so all the parts should be available, including the electronics, although you might have to buy them abroad.
These vehicles are supposed to be an excellent drive, and at least one has been personally re-imported to the UK.

lynall · Dec 16, 2020

It can be done, but I would suggest a gearbox as the prop might be an issue.
Pretty sure it was also available as an official vag marine engine, and people have done their own conversions.

lynall · Dec 16, 2020

Turboman · Dec 16, 2020

lynall said:

I can see a problem with that one. Defenders don't float, in fact, they aren't known for being watertight on the ground!

110specialvehicle · Dec 16, 2020

Turboman said:
I can see a problem with that one. Defenders don't float, in fact, they aren't known for being watertight on the ground!

Haha mine leaks like a sieve.
But those are way bigger numbers than id be looking for.
But yhanks for the videos
And the journey to find the marine engine ecu.......

lynall · Dec 17, 2020

110specialvehicle said:
Haha mine leaks like a sieve.
But those are way bigger numbers than id be looking for.
But yhanks for the videos
And the journey to find the marine engine ecu.......

Try and find the guy who stuck a vag v6 diesel in his boat, Iirc it has been in there for years, unsure if injector pump or common rail lump!

Edit I lied its the older 2.5 tdi lump, and its been in there for 14 years.

winchman · Dec 17, 2020

Face book has a group for people who have put Mercedes engines in Land rovers
We have a Mercedes OM617 3.0L 5 pot in a Series, no problems as its got no sensors etc Does 29MPG too

I have heard good things about this place might be worth a phone call?
https://camcoautomotive.co.uk

lynall · Dec 17, 2020

Turboman said:
I can see a problem with that one. Defenders don't float, in fact, they aren't known for being watertight on the ground!

How dare you , mine always has water on the inside/under the floor mats/under the boot mats, in fact everywhere apart from the battery box

adrian hogg · Dec 17, 2020

high horsepower and reliability from marine engines is made more achievable by pretty much unlimited availability of coolant

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