Discovery Rust - Boot, Sills and Wings

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Cheers Matt, Mark is just uploading the other video of him following me but he says it's a bit shakey.

Mr Noisy, yeah I was a bit disappointed with the snorkel at first as it was a pig to fit but now I realise it was the best choice for me and love the look.

Thanks discopol for your comments. Today was a bit of a shake down so now I can start to get back in the saddle so to speak. After off roading for a few years I have hated every minute of the last 7 months not being able to go out. Don't get me wrong I had a great sense of pride finally driving something that I had put so much time into.

I can assure all that there are some more great times to come and more of the build to do.
 
Matt Baxter said:
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i like this photo
 
Green Hornet : )

green lane near golden pot

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Vl9R0igi4&list=UUvZzIwIq_W_HniUJBxc92eA&index=1&feature=plcp"]green lane near golden pot.MOV - YouTube[/ame]
 
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Well here are a couple of screen shots from my first trip down water lane in Hampshire. Thanks to GummyBear for videoing me and having to look at my arse all evening lol

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Axle seems to dislocate fine to me
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Here's a better shot


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Here are the videos. Have fun watching.

Part One

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ol2MVhR4jA&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]water lane part 1.MOV - YouTube[/ame]

Part Two and the best

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YUV-Tt_itI&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]water lane part 2.MOV - YouTube[/ame]

Part Three

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlzn4q0Y7EQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]water lane part 3.MOV - YouTube[/ame]

And finally Part Four

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDb9VDqC9pE&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]water lane part 4.MOV - YouTube[/ame]
 
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GreenHornet said:
The are quite a few ideas going around in my head. I don't understand who it should be so difficult to produce an adjustable radius arm. I realise that the forces that are transferred through it are high and varied, but how many years have we,mas consumers had a basic choice of either 3 or 6 degrees radius arms.

My suspension is bang in the middle and needs perhaps 4.5 degrees castor. So either I have too little or too much. Don't mean to moan honestly it's just something that I took for granted and didn't think through at the beginning. Bummer...
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Have you considered cranked radius arms with castor correction bushes?
Terrafirma Caster correction bushes | Suspension - Hardware Accessories for Land Rover Vehicles
 
Hi Gratch,

I have looked at the bushes but they only sort out one end of the issue, the mount at the chassis is still going to be stressed. Anyhow they only cater for 3 degrees.

I have done some calculations and drawn up the geometry of the suspension in CAD and the results are as follows.

Taking that the spring seat is horizontal on a standard height Discovery when at rest on level ground.

By lifting the suspension using taller springs to a lift of 3.5", the axles is tilted forwards exactly 6 degrees. The axles moves forward by almost 4mm and the shock will move towards the front of the turret some 8 mm in total.

This is why the shock is rubbing in the turrets. Also it is only effecting the offside shock as the panhard rod needs adjusting to put the axle back in line.

I have done some extensive research on the net and many vehicles can be rectified using castor correction plates. I am currently designing some plates and also some adjustable radius arms which I will test.

Why you ask, well I have been told that 3 degrees was enough when clearly I need to dial in 6 degrees. Also what if I want to add some castor to the suspension, I want to be able to adjust the length of the bar and the attack of the axle.

Now I need to look at the a frame mount to the rear. Happy days.
 
switch is adjustable, the procedure is pop into reverse, wind switch in til lights come on, screw in another half turn, set locknut. but they often simply fail!

also, is there something on my axle i could measure, like spring seat angle or something? curious you see, and also would give reference for 3" disco with winch and 3 degree arms.

let me know if and how i can take a reference measurement :)
 
GreenHornet said:
Hi Gratch,

I have looked at the bushes but they only sort out one end of the issue, the mount at the chassis is still going to be stressed. Anyhow they only cater for 3 degrees.

I have done some calculations and drawn up the geometry of the suspension in CAD and the results are as follows.

Taking that the spring seat is horizontal on a standard height Discovery when at rest on level ground.

By lifting the suspension using taller springs to a lift of 3.5", the axles is tilted forwards exactly 6 degrees. The axles moves forward by almost 4mm and the shock will move towards the front of the turret some 8 mm in total.

This is why the shock is rubbing in the turrets. Also it is only effecting the offside shock as the panhard rod needs adjusting to put the axle back in line.

I have done some extensive research on the net and many vehicles can be rectified using castor correction plates. I am currently designing some plates and also some adjustable radius arms which I will test.

Why you ask, well I have been told that 3 degrees was enough when clearly I need to dial in 6 degrees. Also what if I want to add some castor to the suspension, I want to be able to adjust the length of the bar and the attack of the axle.

Now I need to look at the a frame mount to the rear. Happy days.
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Axle Caster Movement Land Rover Defender - YouTube
 
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that video looks scary pete,looks like too much movement,how would that effect steering driving.i would be too scared taking it off road incase it fell off lol.

ahh,just read comments on video,worn bushes lol.me donkey:crazy:
 
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Mr green hornet sir,u missed part 5 of water lane :D

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0LfXQuqPog&list=UUvZzIwIq_W_HniUJBxc92eA&index=1&feature=plcp]water lane part 5.MOV - YouTube[/ame]
 
Mr Noisy said:
switch is adjustable, the procedure is pop into reverse, wind switch in til lights come on, screw in another half turn, set locknut. but they often simply fail!

also, is there something on my axle i could measure, like spring seat angle or something? curious you see, and also would give reference for 3" disco with winch and 3 degree arms.

let me know if and how i can take a reference measurement :)
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Hi Sam,

Reference measurements are as follows;

From the leading edge of the radius arm rear bush bolt (Not Nut) to the centre of the outrigger where the radius arm passes through. This should be the pivot point. I get this at 770 and took of 7mm to get to the centre of the bolt.

Next from the leading edge of the forward bush bolt to the same pivot point on the outrigger. I got this to 923 so adjusted for the thickness of the bolt nad made it 916. Nice bike the Ducati 916's, i had a yellow one....

I already know that the distance between the bush centres is 165mm

reference for the spring plate is taken from the centre of the front bush bolt to the bottom edge of the spring plate. I got this as 125mm.

same again at the rear edge to rear bush bolt centre. I got this as 72mm

My spring seat plate is at a forwward angle see below

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you can see the rubbing on the shock

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Finally - Yes the lane is wicked. It was the first time going down it. I will niop out and take some photos of the Hornet after it went down it. Very muddy
 
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