Diesel additive, 2-stroke oil?

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Thanks Charlesy all give it a try thers plenty of this type of fuel [veg/oliveoil] down here in sunny Greece. By theway ill bet you guys having lots of fun with your landys and all that snow up there . have fun all the best.
 
CharlesY said:
Super!

So 8 x 15 litre cans is 120 litres of UNUSED veg oil which is the same as £120 cash to your pocket if you tank it! The 200 tdi is the perfect engine to make good use of this excellent fuel.

The age of it doesn't matter. I suggest you do a little experiment to settle your nerves.

Get a 3 litre plastic milk bottle, clean it and dry it, and put a litre of pump diesel in it. Now add a litre of your veg oil. You probably won't even need to shake it to get it mixed. Have a good look at it. Remember, Rudolph Diesel designed his engines to run on peanut oil. Examines your two litres / £2 of oil mix carefully. Then say the magic words .... "What the hell" and toss it into your tank. You just saved £1 cash.

After this, why not throw in a gallon / 5 litres of your veg for every two gallons / 10 litres of pump fuel? That way you save the whole £1 on every litre, but just over a slightly longer period.

THIS IS LEGAL - anyone can use up to 2,500 litres of veg / bio every year without a problem.

By the way, at the one-third mix I suggest, I bet you notice the engine runs smoother, and pulls better. It's quite noticeable. My TD5 runs MUCH sweeter on bio than on any pump fuel.

Enjoy.

CharlesY
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i was told that the td5 engine will not run on bio-fuel :rolleyes::confused:
 
pussyeater said:
Alright CharlesY

i work at a garage with a 2500 litre waste oil tank

i got a 300TDi defender

what are my options regarding the waste oil into fuel scenario

cheers in advance

Pete
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Do it, both the 300tdi's here run on it.

Also, in response to lightnings original question - if you did add 2 stroke oil - make sure its not the red stuff!
 
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Shifty1962 said:
I've just about used up the 28 sec heating oil that was left in the domestic tank when I installed a gas heating system.
Ran it 50/50 with pump fuel and no ill effects.
I've got about 5 gallons of old engine oil which will be getting filtered shortly.
Am I right in saying I should mix it with 10% kero?
If this is correct I'll start to fill the old heating tank with used engine oil as and when I come across it.
CharlseY My mate runs an injection moulding firm that has hundreds of litres of hydraulic oil to dispose of every three months. Could this be used as fuel ???
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28 seconds heating oil IS kerosene. They call it that to try to make you think it is something else. 35 seconds heating oil is DIESEL with the red dye, also called GAS OIL, or RED DIESEL.

By all means add 10% to your old engine oil THEN filter it, and use it.

Hydraulic oil is perfect - damn-all additives in it, and quite thin already.
I reckon a 50-50 brew of that with pump fuel should be fine. Try a 1 part hydraulic to 3 parts pump fuel first and see how she goes, but I am prerrt sure you'll soon end up 50-50.

Remember - the mix isn't the be-all and end-all of using "alternative fuels". The end game is saving CASH, and every litre of freebie alternative you shove in the tank saves about £1.00 today.

CharlesY
 
CharlesY said:
28 seconds heating oil IS kerosene. They call it that to try to make you think it is something else. 35 seconds heating oil is DIESEL with the red dye, also called GAS OIL, or RED DIESEL.

By all means add 10% to your old engine oil THEN filter it, and use it.

Hydraulic oil is perfect - damn-all additives in it, and quite thin already.
I reckon a 50-50 brew of that with pump fuel should be fine. Try a 1 part hydraulic to 3 parts pump fuel first and see how she goes, but I am prerrt sure you'll soon end up 50-50.

Remember - the mix isn't the be-all and end-all of using "alternative fuels". The end game is saving CASH, and every litre of freebie alternative you shove in the tank saves about £1.00 today.

CharlesY
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I never knew 28 sec heating oil was kero but have to admit it smells the same. :eek:

My mate says I can have all of his old hydraulic oil as he has to pay to get rid. He decants it into standard oil drums which I'll give back to him for reuse. I've got a cheap hand pump and I'll use my old heating oil tank for storage as it can hold 1800 litres. It's also got a tapping about 2 inches from the bottom so any sediment will settle out in the tank.
Once I've got my hands on some I'll try various mixes but watch this space for updates. I'll be running it in my TD5 so I'll start of with a 10% mix of hydraulic to pump fuel and go from there. Whatever happens I'll be saving cash as every mile travelled on non pump fuel is a bonus.
I regularly tow a double horse box so I'll know quite quickly if I'm down on power. Thanks for the info.
 
buckshot said:
i was told that the td5 engine will not run on bio-fuel :rolleyes::confused:
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My TD5 Disco is on 60,000 miles plus, and more than half of that has been in home made biodiesel.

I hadn't noticed that it won't run on this fuel.

Thanks for telling me.

CharlesY

PS - do you believe every old wife's tale? WHY will a "TD5 not run on bio-fuel"?
 
CharlesY said:
My TD5 Disco is on 60,000 miles plus, and more than half of that has been in home made biodiesel.

I hadn't noticed that it won't run on this fuel.

Thanks for telling me.

CharlesY

PS - do you believe every old wife's tale? WHY will a "TD5 not run on bio-fuel"?
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ah - but thats coz yu is running a Disco - not a Deepender, CharlesY - yu know they is superior ;):p :behindsofa:
 
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CharlesY said:
Hydraulic oil is perfect - damn-all additives in it, and quite thin already.
I reckon a 50-50 brew of that with pump fuel should be fine. Try a 1 part hydraulic to 3 parts pump fuel first and see how she goes, but I am prerrt sure you'll soon end up 50-50.
CharlesY
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Just got my hands on 250 litres of used hydraulic oil. Thats about 55 gallons of free fuel or apprx 1100 miles @ 20mpg. My mate says I can have the same amount every three months. :D
I'll try a 1:3 brew of oil to diesel. If that runs OK I'll try a 1:2 mix and then a 1:1 mix and settle on what works best for me.
Watch this space.
 
discomania said:
Do it, both the 300tdi's here run on it.

Also, in response to lightnings original question - if you did add 2 stroke oil - make sure its not the red stuff!
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Nice one, cheers Disco

Would they stand 100% fill of this fuel or do you have to mix it with pump diesel?
 
100% special brew (well it was showing empty so maybe a gallon of pump diesel in there).

Americans have been changing their engine oil and tipping the used stuff into their tanks for years. With CDI engines and the like they are getting a little more dubious of the whole idea but I speak from experience where it concerns 2.5NA and 300tdi's, single cylinder petter engines and even a lawnmower!

The oil on its own would in most cases be too thick, this leads to over pressurisation in the IP and can have an effect on the injectors because its just too thick, also its not that great at auto ignition.

Oil has LOTS of energy, but a low cetane rating – its auto ignition factor; so its ability to explode into flames when compressed.

Kero, apart from running planes and heating its also used a lot as a solvent, to clean parts and degrease, so that tells you something and its properties. It's thin and would offer NO lubrication to the injection pump. It does however have a high cetane rating.

So mix the two and you end up with a viscosity similar to diesel, a high enough cetane rating and generally a very good fuel (probably not from a green point of view as your “burning oil”).

If you don’t have access to kero then you could experiment with petrol.

It also makes buying engine oil less expensive as you can consider that when you get every litre of it back out the sump it saves you 95p.

Use a little extra kero in cold weather like we have seen recently.
 
Best avoid petrol if you can because it's boiling point is very low, and that can cause vapour problems.

CharlesY
 
sounds good to me

is it worth buying a centrifuge filter to get rid of the carbon and metal particles?
 
Shifty1962 said:
Just got my hands on 250 litres of used hydraulic oil. Thats about 55 gallons of free fuel or apprx 1100 miles @ 20mpg. My mate says I can have the same amount every three months. :D
I'll try a 1:3 brew of oil to diesel. If that runs OK I'll try a 1:2 mix and then a 1:1 mix and settle on what works best for me.
Watch this space.
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Okey dokey.

I've just used a tank full of 10% filtered used hydraulic oil to normal diesel mix with no problems. Starts from cold as normal and no smoke after warm up.

I'm now going to go with a 25% mix and see what happens.
 
Shifty1962 said:
Okey dokey.

I've just used a tank full of 10% filtered used hydraulic oil to normal diesel mix with no problems. Starts from cold as normal and no smoke after warm up.

I'm now going to go with a 25% mix and see what happens.
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I know what will happen - THREE things

1. your Landy will run even more sweetly,
2. your smug smile will be even wider.

Oh yes,

3. and you will have a tenner in your pocket that otherwise would be in the filling station till.

How good is all that?

CharlesY
 
CharlesY said:
I know what will happen - THREE things

1. your Landy will run even more sweetly,
2. your smug smile will be even wider.

Oh yes,

3. and you will have a tenner in your pocket that otherwise would be in the filling station till.

How good is all that?

CharlesY
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As I have access to about 250 litres every three months I'll be more than happy. I gravity filtered the oil 20 litres at a time through two in-line fuel filters and into clean Jerry cans. It takes a little while (overnight) but costs nowt to run. I may look at pumping it through the filters to speed things up a bit using an old leccy fuel pump.
I'll take some pictures of the filter set up I made out of some plumbing bits and bobs with two central heating header tanks. Basically its a header tank mounted about six feet in the air with pipework through the filters into a flexi hose to fill the Jerries.
I'm going to fill my disused domestic heating oil tank with the unfiltered stuff as its effectively free fuel so long as my mate lets me collect it. I'll filter it as and when I need to.

So far I can see no downside and my TD5 runs just as well as it always has. I towed my wife's double horsebox on a sixty mile round trip with no problems and effectively for nothing.
 
I'd be interested in your setup .. I might get access to some hydraulic fluids every couple of weeks, so if this is anything like ... ;)
 
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