Detroit Lockers

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D90mitch

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As ARB lockers are fookin expensive, I have had a look at putting a detroit locker in the rear axle of my 2ootdi 90. Anyone got some experience with these? Do they affect the road handling? Gimme all the info you got :) Have had a look at some videos and some other forums but cant seem to find exactly what I need. thanks :)
 
I've got a Detroit Locker in the rear axle of my Series, it just works.

With regard to road manners you have to remember that it's basically driving the inside wheel when cornering, so it tends to understeer.

Other issues are that they're very hard on half shafts, I killed plenty of standard ones, mine were 10 spline inner, 24 outer. I changed the Detroit centres to 24 spline and fitted Ashcroft 24/24 Series shafts. Bombproof.

I went for the Detroit because it's fit and forget, no air compressor or electrics required.
 
true but can you turn it on/off? and have control over when it operates:boxing::D

You can't turn it off, but why would you want to? A Detroit doesn't work like an Air Locker which is either on or off. It lets the outside wheel in a corner rotate faster than the inside wheel, perfect, a locked diff that goes around corners.
 
What other alternatives are there without ruining the bank like an ARB? As my 90 spends 70% of the time on road, ARB's would not be worth the money at the mo. Dont really want to sacrifice a significant ammount of on road ability - still needs to be my daily car.
 
What other alternatives are there without ruining the bank like an ARB? As my 90 spends 70% of the time on road, ARB's would not be worth the money at the mo. Dont really want to sacrifice a significant ammount of on road ability - still needs to be my daily car.
Talk to Jai Landrover... he has done a few things with diffs!
 
you have no manual control over them.the diff decides when/where to engage bit late if your stuck.atleast with arbs you have the option to engage before you enter mud/water/obstacle

Bollix!

They are wonderful!! They do not decide to "engage" they are always engaged and automatically allow the outside wheel in any corner to rotate faster than the crownwheel speed which is always the same as the inside wheel. When an outside wheel that has over-run the crownwheel i.e cornering the outside wheel is allowed to in effect ratchet around. As soon as the outside wheel slows to the same rpm as the crownwheel it locks up again i.e when driving straight. When Offroad or on road the rear wheels are ALWAYS locked.

Because of how they work it is reccommended to only fit them to the rear of a vehicle and not the front. Trying to turn a wheel while the inside wheel is driven will be hard on you arms!!

They're fool proof, bullet proof and very simple fit and forget. Nothing to wear out and no external air system to get ripped off (Make sure you get the older type if your looking for a rover one).

The downside is they do have an effect on road handling some people can live with it some cant I've had mine fitted since 2008 and its been great.

The effects they can have here:

The inside rear wheel in any corner pushes you through the bend giving sort of under steer lift off the throttle mid way and the car will tighten up in the bend. (You get used to it and its safe if you drive like a crazy person you will miss corners for sure).

Because its always pushing you around left and right hand corners from either rear wheel the rear bushes wear out quicker. Forget polybushes mine lasted 4 months. I use standard metalastic bushes which last far longer but are far less bling.

Any knackared rear suspension bushes will be very noticeable (tis a good thing tbh)

Rear tyres need to be as close as possible size circumference to each other or you will get weird handling for sure. With an open diff you can run completly different size tyres and it would be hardly noticable the diff compensates (it is its job).


In the wet if you have offroad tyres that break away easily (not too bad nowdays) you can spin up you back wheels and get the back end out very easily. Detroit lockers is what the drift boys use.


Although the above sounds really bad tis not that bad if your motor is ok to begin with.

I would say drive a motor with one fitted before buying but don't be put off.

Some people cannot bare it, me I dont go too mad hacking about so its ok was my daily driver (35 miles per day for 3 years) nowdays its a weekend / camping motor but its really not that bad.


I wouldn't fit an ARB for love nor money lots of hype and advertising for poor quality plastic internals and very small actual engagement that I've seen fail at several times at several different comps leaving the motors stranded.

I have mine in a salisbury axle far far stronger unit than a rover unit.
 
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Choices:


Tru tracs good upgrade from open,

Detroits lockers locks solid but some on road downsides,

Kaiser locker similar to detroit locker bro has one but his one is noisy,

Ashcroft locker V good but price is high,

Quaiffe Very expensive but nice,

Kam diffs PITA diff pan and expensive,

Lock right or aussie locker similar principle to detroits but not as nice and weak but very very simple. (I have a 10 spline one kicking about here I have fitted to a 4.7 diff I had kicking about. I keep on about fitting it to my 90 in the front for a giggle but may just end up selling it TBH.
 
Talk to Jai Landrover... he has done a few things with diffs!


Hehe

Cheers Ryder,

Current thing on the chopping board is machining a p38 4 pin to fit in a long nose case nicely 90% machining done) Plus pinning or pegging all my diff casings I have kicking around and then plan is to upgrade a series front axle casing to super strong shafts and LR AEU2522's and using a p38 pinned 4 pin diff for a trials comp safari vehicle.

The rear salisbury axle attached to said trials comp safari vehicle is getting a super simple rear difflock which I will post pics probably in a couple of months time once its been made and tested.

Jai
 
They're ok pretty much no difference to road handling but they are not a positive locker they are a torque biasting limited slip differential.

Actually check out ashcrofts own atb diff I left it off
For some strange reason.
 
Ring Ashcroft I think their atb is a cheaper and probably a better option

Ask to speak to Dave or Ian and they will happily explain exactly why you
need to know. They will not hard sell either give them a ring they're a helpful bunch.

Ashcroft transmissions
 
I've just fit a locker in the rear and a trutrac in the front manners ain't to bad on the road,

The locker isn't noisy like I have read but I'll give it time,

I found a video online if you search for Eton no spin diff it explains how a locker works, Basically it's always locked, until you turn a corner and it won't let the inside wheel turn slower than the crown wheel but the outside can turn faster, so basically when it unlocks one wheel can turn faster than the crown wheel but neither can ever turn slower.



The trutrac is pulling the Landy straight and the locker if pushing it straight foward, I don't mind as I don't do loads of miles would recommend if there's someone local with one in you could have a little drive of to see what you think,

Mine where only used on 2 events then fully stripped and result with new bits and bobs in to new cases my crown diffs, then the guy never used them, £800 for the pair your not gona get an air locker and compressor for anything like that money,

Ashcroft have redesigned something inside theres to make it better that arb or to overcome some comman problems with the arb,
 
never had a problem with arbs and never seen one fail in competition

its the same old argument those that have detroits will say there the best and others are crap

those that have arbs will say others are crap

in competition i preferred the arbs that gave me the option of entering said obstacle and deciding whether i wanted to lock the diffs or not

i would prefer to negotiate the obstacle without the aid of any locker but if i chose to lock the diffs that would be my decision
 
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