Defender drivers... we’re all doomed!!
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raisingveg
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load of tosh what a nanny state we live in
saxavordian
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As long as they leave this in London Europe and barbwire the eyesore off I wont complain. 
Interceptorxj
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Failing Grayling strikes again. How this man is still a minister is beyond me.
Ironstrike
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Defenders are only noisy on the inside
Pappasmurf
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Yeah that would mean every single car that is not 100% standard is screwed. All sports cars, including all the current models, screwed. Buses, screwed. Dustbin lorries. London black cabs. Motorbikes. Mopeds. All lorries. Screwed.
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Obviously dreamed up by the same people who move to a house nextdoor to a racetrack then complain about the noise, like it comes as a surprise
How would this even work? I get a fine thru the door,, wernt me guv! Yer machine muss be foltee!!
In the mean time I put the stock exhaust back on for inspection
How would this even work? I get a fine thru the door,, wernt me guv! Yer machine muss be foltee!!
In the mean time I put the stock exhaust back on for inspection
saxavordian
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What about a nagging misses
tottot
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Plenty of big noisy tractors and silage harvesters around here.
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If people don't like the noise of the city, which face it is where this started, they should move to the blissful countryside where cows moo, owls hoot and tractors roar! At freekin' night time too!!
The world is a noisy place, if you don't like it, you can always get off at the next stop.
The world is a noisy place, if you don't like it, you can always get off at the next stop.
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Well thats my jag f**ked then
4.2 V8 with a sports exhaust
Difference being I don't rag it like the kids in the shopping centres in their type R's
4.2 V8 with a sports exhaust
Difference being I don't rag it like the kids in the shopping centres in their type R's
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I hope to see those surrounded by burned out tyres anorl
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It's only ter capture chavs with unnessersary stooooopid eggsauce noise. Eye fink it's a good idea. Too many bikes going around with unnessersary eggsauce noise at high rpm ter let everyone know they can't afford er car. It's won't affect tratters. They won't pick up tratter rattle.
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From the article: "The noise level deemed to be inappropriate is yet to be decided."
What's to decide? There are legal levels already in place. But does anyone know what they are for their vehicle? I don't and I've been trying to find out using Google with not a lot of success. I've found a lot of conflicting figures suggesting it might be around 74 decibels, 80 decibels, 82 decibels and so on. But whatever the figure is it is not specified where the measurement is taken.
However, the only unequivocal figure I have found is in the current IVA manual, which states it is 99dBA, and that is measured 500mm from the exhaust outlet at the same height of the exhaust.
The MOT manual is incredibly vague on the subject, essentially leaving it to the tester's discretion.
To further confuse things, The Environmental Protection Act 1990 also deals with antisocial noise but conflicts with itself as it says that councils have a duty to deal with complaints about noise, including from vehicles, but that traffic is exempt from statutory noise regulations.
I can't see this technology being very successful against any legal challenges when the legislation on vehicle noise is so conflicting and confusing. Surely that should be addressed first so everyone knows where they stand?
What's to decide? There are legal levels already in place. But does anyone know what they are for their vehicle? I don't and I've been trying to find out using Google with not a lot of success. I've found a lot of conflicting figures suggesting it might be around 74 decibels, 80 decibels, 82 decibels and so on. But whatever the figure is it is not specified where the measurement is taken.
However, the only unequivocal figure I have found is in the current IVA manual, which states it is 99dBA, and that is measured 500mm from the exhaust outlet at the same height of the exhaust.
The MOT manual is incredibly vague on the subject, essentially leaving it to the tester's discretion.
To further confuse things, The Environmental Protection Act 1990 also deals with antisocial noise but conflicts with itself as it says that councils have a duty to deal with complaints about noise, including from vehicles, but that traffic is exempt from statutory noise regulations.
I can't see this technology being very successful against any legal challenges when the legislation on vehicle noise is so conflicting and confusing. Surely that should be addressed first so everyone knows where they stand?
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Legal challenges will be the thing. They would have to prove beyond doubt that it was your car making the noise. With the ambient noise in towns and cities these days it would be almost impossible unless it was a stop and test. Which would have to be done in a hermetically sealed unit to block out ambient noise. The price are supposed to fine people for playing their car stereos too loud, they don't.
That will be the story initially to get people to agree to it, then it will start tyres to noisy, wind noise, you may laugh but you just wait and see.
Its a very expensive way of doing the mot testers job for him, give them a noise figure to work to and the tools to get the job done.
Then if caught on the road with noisy pipes the police can actually do their job, mot history check defect noisy exhaust, confiscate car/big fine.
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Just add 'think of the children' and you get any law passed you like
The noise limit at many bike trackdays is 102db. By completely standard bike, as it came from the factory, was last treated at 92db
For cars it's 105db
The noise limit at many bike trackdays is 102db. By completely standard bike, as it came from the factory, was last treated at 92db
For cars it's 105db
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