Defender 90 200TDi value

You're not the only one to be thinking it, and to be honest I keep toying with the idea of selling mine (or have been lately), I've only got a couple of little jobs to do and I just can't be arsed since I fell out with it, I thought the passion for it would come back eventually, but well... it hasn't, and it annoys me walking past it every day knowing it'll just sit their after the amount of time/effort/money that's been put into it.
We'll see, I don't think I want too deep down, but I can't keep putting it off forever, slightly worried about losing my head on it aswell

I recently bought a 200 TDI 110 station wagon for 4000.

Overpriced.

Plated floors by literally booting plates on.
Engine loom had a short circuit causing battery drain.
Rusty capping on rear panels covered with filler and painted over, now showing rust three weeks later.
Rusty wheels painted over, showing rust 3 weeks later.
Bulkhead needling repair plates on corners, again painted straight over rust and showing already.
Dodgy steering
Saggy headlining with sunroof leak
Pulling to one side when breaking
Drivers wiper going over rubber seal
Holes in both front outriggers
Smokes on startup and burns half litre engine oil a week so probably overheated at some point.
Came with faulty thermostat so changed that so heater worked.
Corrosion on all door bottoms, again painted over and showing up just weeks later.
Seat backs in boot ripped at tops.
Leak from NSF swivel.
Indicators NSF weren't working because of loose 6 way connector.
Rusty seat bases
Shoddy underseal applied
And today I loose the clutch pedal

Before spending 6000 ask yourself if its worth the hassle as a daily driver. Mine isnt reliable enough.

Oh believe it or not it was bought from a dealer! Scamming so and so

Fixing and keeping though. Too stubborn/ tenacious for my own good?

Provisionally sold mine to a mate yesterday for 6k.
1993 90 tdi winch, big tyres, spare wheel carrier, galv rock sliders, galved rear xmember the list is enormous!
Not sure I really want to sell it, but I dont use it and its a shame to see it just sitting there.
I dont need the money and if I had under cover storage I think I would keep it.
Of course if I find storage my mate is going to be really ****ed off!!

Dealers and small time car traders are jumping on the bandwagon and tarting up scruffy old Land Rovers for a quick profit.
It's easy to make one look superficially better.
Plus it makes rough ones more expensive due to the demand from dealers wanting to buy them up.
My local dealer buys up scruffy ones and renovates them although they do a good job, which is possible if you do it right, and they sell the resulting vehicles for £10,000 plus.

lynall said:

Provisionally sold mine to a mate yesterday for 6k.
1993 90 tdi winch, big tyres, spare wheel carrier, galv rock sliders, galved rear xmember the list is enormous!
Not sure I really want to sell it, but I dont use it and its a shame to see it just sitting there.
I dont need the money and if I had under cover storage I think I would keep it.
Of course if I find storage my mate is going to be really ****ed off!!

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That's pretty much my dilemma. if I had somewhere to keep it out the way I probably would, it just annoys me seeing it sat on the drive every day and seems a shame not to be used.
Think you did pretty well at £6k, was looking about at prices last night trying to gauge what I might get for mine (trying to see how much money I might lose) and I'm still non the wiser.
But like you said, I can't see them coming down in price much now.

lightning said:

Dealers and small time car traders are jumping on the bandwagon and tarting up scruffy old Land Rovers for a quick profit.
It's easy to make one look superficially better.
Plus it makes rough ones more expensive due to the demand from dealers wanting to buy them up.
My local dealer buys up scruffy ones and renovates them although they do a good job, which is possible if you do it right, and they sell the resulting vehicles for £10,000 plus.

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Some of them are doing minimal tarting up and still asking silly money. 2015 was the year when I was finally ready to make my dream purchase (V8 110 CSW) and despite a lifetime in the repair (not sales end) of the classic car market I was still shocked by some of the dealers. The prize goes to a dealer in the East Midlands who asks 10 grand for such a vehicle which has "an exceptional chassis and bulkhead". The vehicle I came to look at had little patches on the chassis which had been "welded" on by an 8 year old. An 8 year old orang utan by the looks of it. The chassis had "benefited" from a rudimentary steam clean and had then been plastered with black waxoyl all over flakes of blown rust. The bulkhead was leaking especially around the screen area and the thing stank of damp trim inside. The engine was completely worn out. The LPG conversion was bordering on the dangerous. It was a complete restoration project of the sort you can pick up for around 3 grand on ebay. When I politely declined on the basis that it was more work than I was looking for the vendor said somewhat condescendingly, "well it's 28 years old innit?"
The same money later went on to get me one which was 32 years old and ready to enjoy.
I've been in the trade for 30 years this year and I can now think of 2 car dealers (classic ones, modern ones or Land Rover ones) who I really rate based on my experience with them. I don't trade in classic cars because (unless you specialise in Aston DB4 or Ferrari GTO etc) it is simply impossible to make a living by repairing / restoring them properly and then selling them. The honest dealers I have met have been the ones who don't ever get involved with major repairs to their stock.
Bottom line IMHO is to buy the very best you can afford because it will be more expensive in the long run to get involved with repairs. For 6 grand I'd be hoping for something which didn't require any welding at all!
Rant over

aaronmorris said:

That's pretty much my dilemma. if I had somewhere to keep it out the way I probably would, it just annoys me seeing it sat on the drive every day and seems a shame not to be used.
Think you did pretty well at £6k, was looking about at prices last night trying to gauge what I might get for mine (trying to see how much money I might lose) and I'm still non the wiser.
But like you said, I can't see them coming down in price much now.

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Maybe you could offer it to the O/P as it's probably way better than the one he looked at.
Just a thought.

aaronmorris said:

That's pretty much my dilemma. if I had somewhere to keep it out the way I probably would, it just annoys me seeing it sat on the drive every day and seems a shame not to be used.
Think you did pretty well at £6k, was looking about at prices last night trying to gauge what I might get for mine (trying to see how much money I might lose) and I'm still non the wiser.
But like you said, I can't see them coming down in price much now.

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Sadly I think I will kick myself in 10 years time when mine could be worth double what it is now.
I sold a series1 about 10 years ago for 1k!

I sold my Ferrari Mondial t 5 years ago for £18k.
The Mondial was unloved by many, as it was a 4 seater and not the best looking model they produced.
What are they fetching now? £35k

lightning said:

I sold my Ferrari Mondial t 5 years ago for £18k.
The Mondial was unloved by many, as it was a 4 seater and not the best looking model they produced.
What are they fetching now? £35k

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Not necessarily:
http://classiccars.brightwells.com/viewdetails.php?id=5976
This one looked nice in the flesh, although of course it couldn't be driven before purchase. Looked like a good investment to me if I'd not had other plans for my cash!

The Mondial QV has a much lower value but it is still a Ferrari.
Those were available for £10-15k five years ago.
The Mondial t was a complete revision, revised body with more modern front/rear, much better interior, PAS, ABS, new 310bhp engine with transverse gearbox (like an F1 car), adjustable suspension, etc.

Sorry - my mistake... didn't read your post properly. I thought the QV would be a good investment: Ferraris never seem to do badly - even the 400i changes hands for good money these days and its no longer for the purpose of building "Daytona replicas"!

The QV is still a good investment, if you get a good one.
Although the spaceframe chassis is very strong and unlikely to rust, the body can go big time.
The worst part is the sills, inside the car they can rot badly, my 1991 Mondial t needed major repairs by 2003.
Spares can be frighteningly expensive, but there's often ways around that.
But you are unlikely to find parts on Ebay and at breakers as easily as other classic cars.

These Ferraris were unloved for years, prices dropped to well under £10k, but service costs did not get any cheaper, meaning people bought them who could not afford the maintenance costs so things like cam belt changes (£1500-2000 on a Mondial t and recommended every two years) didn't get done.

Vinlander said:

The extra 100k could knock 5000 off that.
Plant might be bulletproof, but the rest might be on its last legs.
Galv chassis will only last as long as it doesn't take a scratch and let the rot in underneath.
Without seeing it I suspect it's a bit steep.
Saying that, "ropey" could mean a lot of things, and honestly, with the number of fenders going missing, I'd rather have it looking scruffy and unattractive.

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galv chassis will last a long time whether bare metal shows or not

The 200tdi I was looking at is now sold so the search continues....on a positive note at the grand old age of 46 I passed my driving test this morning....I do like cars but my 40 year obsession with motorbikes gets in the way lol.

lightning said:

Maybe you could offer it to the O/P as it's probably way better than the one he looked at.
Just a thought.

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It most probably is, but I've a few bits to do to make it 100% first, and a fresh MOT, and will then most likely be up for sale a few weeks into the new year.

lynall said:

Sadly I think I will kick myself in 10 years time when mine could be worth double what it is now.
I sold a series1 about 10 years ago for 1k!

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I agree, but sadly we can't always hang onto everything, even if we don't need the money, it's a space thing for me, and I guess more than anything seeing it not being used after the time and effort put in.

RedSoul said:

The 200tdi I was looking at is now sold so the search continues....on a positive note at the grand old age of 46 I passed my driving test this morning....I do like cars but my 40 year obsession with motorbikes gets in the way lol.

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Congratulations on your pass.... that's a great first car you have your eye on Don't forget that (contrary to what all the sellers will tell you) there will always be another one for every one you turn down. There is are a lot of very optimistic vendors out there convinced that they are sitting on a gold mine but your budget should buy something which doesn't have any significant problems. You might find this site:
https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/
Quite useful! You'd be amazed at how many "faultless and immaculate" Land Rovers have a significant recent MOT fail for something really significant and you might also wonder how well the repairs were subsequently carried out!
Best of luck!