steve-o
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I am sorry but I reckon he hasn't lied in the listing at all.
Couple of questions before I hand my £ over
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storm99
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Erm..there's a fine line between lies and not telling the truth.
Its advertised as a defender..its not...the fact that in the small print he says its a discovery doesn't excuse him..its a blatant attempt to get rid of a basketcase of a car. No insurance co is ever going to pay out on that, its an abortion.
steve-o
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I agree....certainly the "defender" bit isn't very true but what he chooses to omit from his advert is up to the buyer to find out through questions or a viewing.
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You could look at it another way, if a seller chose to not mention a gaping big hole in the rear cross member, would that still be an honest description?
Ignorance may be an excuse, but only to a point.
I went to look at an 81 range rover with a M&D diesel engine the other week. It was a poor description so I emailed the seller and asked him the general condition, he said it was 'fair'
I travelled 40 miles and it was a shed. Parts of the interior missing, rear tailgate held shut by rope, holes in the inner wing that apparently didn't matter because they weren't structural, and generally battered bodywork.
I'd expressed my displeasure with the seller arguing that if I sold him a fair condition sofa with cat **** stains on it, and bits of the cushions held on by gaffa tape he'd tell me I was wasting his time and being dishonest. I then drove home.
Ignorance may be an excuse, but only to a point.
I went to look at an 81 range rover with a M&D diesel engine the other week. It was a poor description so I emailed the seller and asked him the general condition, he said it was 'fair'
I travelled 40 miles and it was a shed. Parts of the interior missing, rear tailgate held shut by rope, holes in the inner wing that apparently didn't matter because they weren't structural, and generally battered bodywork.
I'd expressed my displeasure with the seller arguing that if I sold him a fair condition sofa with cat **** stains on it, and bits of the cushions held on by gaffa tape he'd tell me I was wasting his time and being dishonest. I then drove home.
steve-o
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But at least you DID travel to view it to find out. you didn't bid or part with any cash.
To be fair If someone had to list all "defects" on the average defender it would be a pretty long listing!
To be fair If someone had to list all "defects" on the average defender it would be a pretty long listing!
CwazyWabbit
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The person selling it describes it as a defender, the small print that says its a disco is populated by eBay when you put in the reg when creating the listing. I believe the info comes from the dvla who list that reg as a blue discovery.
Is there a legitimate and logical reason that anyone can think of for that to have happened?
Is there a legitimate and logical reason that anyone can think of for that to have happened?
steve-o
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Because the seller knows that his "discovery" looks more like a defender and if he listed it in the Discovery section people looking for a Defender might not see it when they search!!
I am not trying to defend the guy...I think he is a turkey for listing it how he has.....I am merely trying to give reason why he might get away with the listing!
I am not trying to defend the guy...I think he is a turkey for listing it how he has.....I am merely trying to give reason why he might get away with the listing!
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I was neither trying to defend or attack the guy, just trying to work out if he could have legally got into that situation.
The way I understand it to have kept the Disco reg (which he has done) he would have to have kept the unmodified Disco chassis as well as probably the running gear or at least some major components (to get enough points).
What counts as a modification to the chassis?
For example adding a defender rear crossmember, I would assume was a modification. If so at the very least this would have to be on a Q plate.
Makes you wonder what's on the V5 of the guy from a 4x4 is borns truck as that has a modified range rover chassis and a mixture of series and defender body parts.
The way I understand it to have kept the Disco reg (which he has done) he would have to have kept the unmodified Disco chassis as well as probably the running gear or at least some major components (to get enough points).
What counts as a modification to the chassis?
For example adding a defender rear crossmember, I would assume was a modification. If so at the very least this would have to be on a Q plate.
Makes you wonder what's on the V5 of the guy from a 4x4 is borns truck as that has a modified range rover chassis and a mixture of series and defender body parts.
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I think I just answered that question.
Mark Thomas (a 4x4 is born) has still got his truck described as a Blue Range Rover
Details from the congestion charge website
Vehicle: B888AYA
Details: BLUE ROVER RANGE ROVER
Where I got the Registration number from DriveArchive - Vehicle History and Fate - Vehicle Details
So if Mark Thomas has been allowed to do it on TV it's probably legal and it is possible this Disco-Fender is also totally legit (note I said possible, doesn't mean I think it is likely)
I wonder what is classed as a chassis modification then? Seeing as Mark thomas changed a few bits of his and still has the original reg mark.
Mark Thomas (a 4x4 is born) has still got his truck described as a Blue Range Rover
Details from the congestion charge website
Vehicle: B888AYA
Details: BLUE ROVER RANGE ROVER
Where I got the Registration number from DriveArchive - Vehicle History and Fate - Vehicle Details
So if Mark Thomas has been allowed to do it on TV it's probably legal and it is possible this Disco-Fender is also totally legit (note I said possible, doesn't mean I think it is likely)
I wonder what is classed as a chassis modification then? Seeing as Mark thomas changed a few bits of his and still has the original reg mark.
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Hefty debate on this one eh.! Simple fix would have been to either list properly, perhaps use "hybrid" in the title and explain a little more
Not answering questions during the auction and then using the old "I'm selling it for a mate" excuse doesnt cut the mustard.
Not answering questions during the auction and then using the old "I'm selling it for a mate" excuse doesnt cut the mustard.
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He has called it a Defender which it is not.
Look at it this way, If you insured it then chopped it up like that afterwards, have you lied? When you insured it it was right so technically you just never told them. Either way, they wouldn't pay out.
