Disco 2 Cold climate pas fluid alternative

02Disco2 · Aug 12, 2018

Hi all, as it's peeing down today I thought I'd get on with buying new oils for my PAS and ACE which needs flushing badly!

With the LR recommended cold climate fluid being daft money per ltr nowadays I've been looking at alternative options and have found this from Westway Oils;
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/712493502?iid=111815863341

Does anyone have any experience with Westway (good or bad)? It looks like a decent option but wanted to double check before shelling out!

Thanks

jamesmartin · Aug 12, 2018

02Disco2 said:
Hi all, as it's peeing down today I thought I'd get on with buying new oils for my PAS and ACE which needs flushing badly!

With the LR recommended cold climate fluid being daft money per ltr nowadays I've been looking at alternative options and have found this from Westway Oils;
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/712493502?iid=111815863341

Does anyone have any experience with Westway (good or bad)? It looks like a decent option but wanted to double check before shelling out!

Thanks

atf dexron 2 or 3 would do perfectly well

02Disco2 · Aug 12, 2018

jamesmartin said:
atf dexron 2 or 3 would do perfectly well

Ok, thanks. As is always the way with google I’ve been searching around a seen a number of posts suggesting that the original was “better” and dextron 3 should only be an emergency option- so wanted to be sure!!

iansoady · Aug 12, 2018

How about this one: https://www.smithandallan.com/produ...-and-allan-cold-climate-power-steering-fluid/

I haven't used it but have had other oils from them and they seem good.

My Indy recommends always using cold climate fluid in both steering and ACE. Given the costs of getting it wrong I see no reason to doubt him.

Your link doesn't work for me BTW.

02Disco2 · Aug 12, 2018

iansoady said:
How about this one: https://www.smithandallan.com/produ...-and-allan-cold-climate-power-steering-fluid/

I haven't used it but have had other oils from them and they seem good.

My Indy recommends always using cold climate fluid in both steering and ACE. Given the costs of getting it wrong I see no reason to doubt him.

Your link doesn't work for me BTW.

Thanks, will take a look.

Sorry about the link. EBay links are a pain It's a company called Westway oils and "appears" to be suitable!!

jamesmartin · Aug 12, 2018

iansoady said:
How about this one: https://www.smithandallan.com/produ...-and-allan-cold-climate-power-steering-fluid/

I haven't used it but have had other oils from them and they seem good.

My Indy recommends always using cold climate fluid in both steering and ACE. Given the costs of getting it wrong I see no reason to doubt him.

Your link doesn't work for me BTW.

and yet the defender td5 pas system uses dexron, cold climate is just used as it can be very long life,theres nothing in either system requires very special oil

meego · Aug 12, 2018

I've been using Fuchs Titan ATF 4000 in mine for a year or two now.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fuchs-TI...182621&hash=item25824d74d3:g:FpkAAOSwH71XPZK3

discool · Aug 12, 2018

meego said:
I've been using Fuchs Titan ATF 4000 in mine for a year or two now.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fuchs-TI...182621&hash=item25824d74d3:g:FpkAAOSwH71XPZK3

Your point is? other than letting us know that the Fuchs product is just another Dexron lll spec ATF.

02Disco2 · Aug 12, 2018

meego said:
I've been using Fuchs Titan ATF 4000 in mine for a year or two now.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fuchs-TI...182621&hash=item25824d74d3:g:FpkAAOSwH71XPZK3

Thanks @meego, will take a look

meego · Aug 12, 2018

discool said:
Your point is? other than letting us know that the Fuchs product is just another Dexron lll spec ATF.

And what's your point?? The OP said he was looking for alternatives. I gave him one.

discool · Aug 12, 2018

meego said:
And what's your point?? The OP said he was looking for alternatives. I gave him one.

Dexron lll was stated in post #2, and quote “ would do perfectly well” so what’s your point, the brand? if so let us all know why.

sierrafery · Aug 12, 2018

The PAS might have no issues with ATF but i strongly recommend to not use that in ACE, the one recommended by @iansoady is a good and cheaper alternative which is within the LR recommended specs

meego · Aug 12, 2018

discool said:
Dexron lll was stated in post #2, so what’s your point the brand? is so let us all know why.

Well let me think. Once upon a time, I was looking at other fluids to use in the PAS system of my vehicle, as the manufacturer's recommended fluid was bloody expensive. So, I got onto Google and started searching and blah blah blah........do I need to go on??

discool · Aug 12, 2018

meego said:
I've been using Fuchs Titan ATF 4000 in mine for a year or two now.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fuchs-TI...182621&hash=item25824d74d3:g:FpkAAOSwH71XPZK3

So after your Google searching and therefore informing us that you’re now using a Dexron lll spec ATF, so that’s your recommendation to the OP as the alternative to using the expensive cold climate fluid. Looks like we finally got the point.

jamesmartin · Aug 12, 2018

sierrafery said:
The PAS might have no issues with ATF but i strongly recommend to not use that in ACE, the one recommended by @iansoady is a good and cheaper alternative which is within the LR recommended specs

why ?,theres nothing in the ace system that would suffer ,plain hydraulic oil would be perfect

meego · Aug 12, 2018

discool said:
So after your Google searching and therefore you’re informing us that you are now have been using a Dexron lll spec ATF, so that’s your recommendation as the alternative to the cold climate fluid. Looks like we finally got the point.

What's with the attitude mate?? I'm no oil expert ok. Is that what you want to hear? I found an alternative to the specified fluid that works for me. I shared this with the OP and anyone else.

sierrafery · Aug 12, 2018

jamesmartin said:
why ?,theres nothing in the ace system that would suffer ,plain hydraulic oil would be perfect

This discussion was also an old one and my arguments were revealed then... in a nutshell the ACE is extremely sensitive to pressure inputs and not all the oils are acting the same under 135 Bar pressure.while the system was calibrated and the ECU mapped from factory for the inputs given by the LR recommended cold climate PAS fluid... i'm not gonna keep the whole theory again but i said at that time and i still sustain that all the pumps i've seen failed were running on ATF ...i rest my case

jamesmartin · Aug 12, 2018

sierrafery said:
This discussion was also an old one and my arguments were revealed then... in a nutshell the ACE is extremely sensitive to pressure inputs and not all the oils are acting the same under 135 Bar pressure.while the system was calibrated and the ECU mapped from factory for the inputs given by the LR recommended cold climate PAS fluid... i'm not gonna keep the whole theory again but i said at that time and i still sustain that all the pumps i've seen failed were running on ATF ...i rest my case

the reason all pumps youve seen failed have been on atf is because atf was used to top up a leak,often not soon enough,plain hydraulic oil obviously is more than capable as its running in more complex and higher pressure systems, 135 bar is not particularly high pressure for hydraulic systems, engine oil and gear box oil have been used for systems with more

Al2O3 · Aug 12, 2018

02Disco2 said:
Hi all, as it's peeing down today I thought I'd get on with buying new oils for my PAS and ACE which needs flushing badly!

With the LR recommended cold climate fluid being daft money per ltr nowadays I've been looking at alternative options and have found this from Westway Oils;
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/712493502?iid=111815863341

Does anyone have any experience with Westway (good or bad)? It looks like a decent option but wanted to double check before shelling out!

Thanks

ACE "My @rse" What's wrong with leaning a little on a bend!? Would prevent petty squabbling and help improve ya core strength. Anyway, accidentally strayed from the Trattor section. I'm orf back.

discool · Aug 12, 2018

meego said:
What's with the attitude mate?? I'm no oil expert ok. Is that what you want to hear? I found an alternative to the specified fluid that works for me. I shared this with the OP and anyone else who gives a ****, or doesn't for that matter. If you don't, I don't give a **** if you don't. It's pricks like you that make me wonder about this forum.

With your positivity in your statement in the exact oil that you are using I would have thought you were an “oil expert”... perhaps that was your intention.

Also why the obscenity ? Do you have trouble yourself

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