Clutch slip after new spigot bush

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

NPG said:
Had a look at your video clip and it's hard to say if you're pushing hard enough to exert enough force on the torsional damper spring. But that free play is not a good sign IMO and there's quite a lot of it unfortunately. Can't believe it's doing that after only 3K miles. Can I ask what brand of DMF you have installed ?

I dont have to push that hard to move it it dosnt spring back it stays wer I pushed it I had the clutch done by emmots of colne it went in for a new gearbox so I asked them to do the dmf and clutch why they had it off they did rocker cover gasket aswell cost me £1200 the clutch is valeo unsure about flywheel brand the car is remmaped 4 inch lift big tyres etc aswell and carries a roof tent every where it goes it's never slipped though

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

Stanleysteamer said:
You said "replaced the slave cylinder" did you mean "put the old one back on" or "replaced with new"?

Thanks for your reply Replaced with new mate

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Craigevo92 said:
Yes well when I put new spigot bearing etc in I put it all back together and it was slipping so I looked underneath and seen that the pipe was leaking jus as it goes into the slave cylinder i must of done it pulling gear box out as it was an old pipe so £130 on a new pipe and slave cylinder it was I thought that mite fix my slippage but it never but maybe your right and I have some how turned the seals over in the master cylinder

I wasn't thinking master cylinder when I said that, but it wouldn't do any harm to strip the whole thing down from reservoir to where the slave acts on the arm just to be sure you have got all you need working right. Once that is eliminated then you can go back to trying other stuff. With a sensitive operator on the clutch pedal you may be able to just unbolt the slave from the housing and see how it behaves, but That may just result in a spurt of clutch fluid and the piston flying out, so be very careful!
And I am assuming you can get at it without having to get the bell housing off. I do not know this as mine is an auto. If you can't then it is Ministry of Sh!t Design time again!
Again, with DMFs I do not know if, if one is fubar, whether that would introduce slip. Commonsense says "no" to me ,but then there isn't much common sense in modern car design! If the DMF can move in and out to any degree at all when you push and pull on it then that may be your problem
It not being well sprung when you push against its springs in a radial fashion ought, common sense tells me, to just result in clutch take up being too sudden on the gearbox and engine, but you say you don't have that.
Tis puzzling that's for sure.

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Craigevo92 said:
I dont have to push that hard to move it it dosnt spring back it stays wer I pushed it I had the clutch done by emmots of colne it went in for a new gearbox so I asked them to do the dmf and clutch why they had it off they did rocker cover gasket aswell cost me £1200 the clutch is valeo unsure about flywheel brand the car is remmaped 4 inch lift big tyres etc aswell and carries a roof tent every where it goes it's never slipped though

AHA!
Then you are giving the whole flywheel/clutch assembly quite a lot of work to do. It maybe that you need heavier dutuy stuff! Wonder if they "forgot" to replace the DMF. Deffo sounds a bit off. It may never have slipped before cos previous owner fitted heavy duty stuff.

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

Stanleysteamer said:
I wasn't thinking master cylinder when I said that, but it wouldn't do any harm to strip the whole thing down from reservoir to where the slave acts on the arm just to be sure you have got all you need working right. Once that is eliminated then you can go back to trying other stuff. With a sensitive operator on the clutch pedal you may be able to just unbolt the slave from the housing and see how it behaves, but That may just result in a spurt of clutch fluid and the piston flying out, so be very careful!
And I am assuming you can get at it without having to get the bell housing off. I do not know this as mine is an auto. If you can't then it is Ministry of Sh!t Design time again!
Again, with DMFs I do not know if, if one is fubar, whether that would introduce slip. Commonsense says "no" to me ,but then there isn't much common sense in modern car design! If the DMF can move in and out to any degree at all when you push and pull on it then that may be your problem
It not being well sprung when you push against its springs in a radial fashion ought, common sense tells me, to just result in clutch take up being too sudden on the gearbox and engine, but you say you don't have that.
Tis puzzling that's for sure.

I took the slave cylinder off last night the piston comes right to the top on its own then stops when it hits the rubber dust cover I gently pressed the clutch a little while watching the piston it came out abit then went back in didnt want to fully press the pedal incase i blew the piston out of it as you said my neghboirs are already banging on about the oil everywhere on the front lol

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Craigevo92 said:
I took the slave cylinder off last night the piston comes right to the top on its own then stops when it hits the rubber dust cover I gently pressed the clutch a little while watching the piston it came out abit then went back in didnt want to fully press the pedal incase i blew the piston out of it as you said my neghboirs are already banging on about the oil everywhere on the front lol

If it went back in of its own accord it ought to be OK as you only have to move a clutch about 1/2 a mm in and out to make it work.
I am still hoping others will jump in on this one. Feel the need for other views!

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

Stanleysteamer said:
AHA!
Then you are giving the whole flywheel/clutch assembly quite a lot of work to do. It maybe that you need heavier dutuy stuff! Wonder if they "forgot" to replace the DMF. Deffo sounds a bit off. It may never have slipped before cos previous owner fitted heavy duty stuff.

Thanks for your reply It was standard when I bought it I built it all up meself dont think it had a heavy duty clutch fitted but I wouldnt no

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Craigevo92 said:
Thanks for your reply It was standard when I bought it I built it all up meself dont think it had a heavy duty clutch fitted but I wouldnt no

Others have more experience of Discos that have been remapped, have bigger tyres fitted and carry a ton of weight.
Mine is a bog standard auto that I use for towing an Foff big box trailer which sometimes is up to full weight limit of 3500 kgs. But do this on Mways and A roads. It does this OK although as you'd expect it can struggle a bit on hills. When at top weight. Rest of time it's fine.
If you've still got the kit it came with maybe you could try driving it with standard wheels on, no roof tent, standard ECU etc and see if it still slips. But that is a big ask.
My bet at the mo is still the DMF.
I'd be grilling the garage Monday and asking to see the DMF they took off. It maybe in the bin, but still...!
(I always do this, but then unscrupulous gits can keep old ones to "show" peeps like me!) Some peeps mark stuff they want changed with the markers you use for your property in case of burglary. Invisible until you shine a UV lamp on them. But you'd have a job doing that with a DMF!

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

This is what met me when I first opened the gearbox up after it happened

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Craigevo92 said:
This is what met me when I first opened the gearbox up after it happened

Yep, well fu cked up! So have a real good look at the splines to make sure none of that welded itself to them cos that deffo could be causing the prob.

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

Stanleysteamer said:
Others have more experience of Discos that have been remapped, have bigger tyres fitted and carry a ton of weight.
Mine is a bog standard auto that I use for towing an Foff big box trailer which sometimes is up to full weight limit of 3500 kgs. But do this on Mways and A roads. It does this OK although as you'd expect it can struggle a bit on hills. When at top weight. Rest of time it's fine.
If you've still got the kit it came with maybe you could try driving it with standard wheels on, no roof tent, standard ECU etc and see if it still slips. But that is a big ask.
My bet at the mo is still the DMF.
I'd be grilling the garage Monday and asking to see the DMF they took off. It maybe in the bin, but still...!
(I always do this, but then unscrupulous gits can keep old ones to "show" peeps like me!) Some peeps mark stuff they want changed with the markers you use for your property in case of burglary. Invisible until you shine a UV lamp on them. But you'd have a job doing that with a DMF!

Yes mate there is always a possibility with garages thats why I've started doing the jobs myself so i no I'm not getting ripped off

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

Stanleysteamer said:
Yep, well fu cked up! So have a real good look at the splines to make sure none of that welded itself to them cos that deffo could be causing the prob.

I will give the splines a good going over see what I find

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Craigevo92 said:
Yes mate there is always a possibility with garages thats why I've started doing the jobs myself so i no I'm not getting ripped off

I started back in 1972 when I didn't have the money to pay a garage to do anything. If i did have to pay a garage I used to have to hitch to work for a coupla weeks to save up the money. So I know exactly how you feel and do all the work i possibly can myself!
Some are good some are indifferent and some are completely cr@p. i could tell you which ones to watch around Bournemouth/Ferndown!

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Re spilt oil and neighbours, have you tried cat litter, or sawdust? Or kicking your neighbours head in?
We have some sh!t ones, but luckily the rest are diamonds!

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

Stanleysteamer said:
I started back in 1972 when I didn't have the money to pay a garage to do anything. If i did have to pay a garage I used to have to hitch to work for a coupla weeks to save up the money. So I know exactly how you feel and do all the work i possibly can myself!
Some are good some are indifferent and some are completely cr@p. i could tell you which ones to watch around Bournemouth/Ferndown!

I'm the same mate iv always loved working on cars my dad was a diesel fitter but it was thanks to forums like this that I learnt all these things I've changed 2 gear boxs one on my front with no transmission jack jus a piece of rope from my winch over my roof rack through the sunroof to the gearbox didnt end well for the roof rack lol also done 2 transfer boxs retro fitted discovery 1 difflock linkage so I can turn it on from in the cab new back axle and much more all thanks to the internet every one brings there land rovers to me now to be fixed just cant seem to fix my own this time lol

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

Stanleysteamer said:
Re spilt oil and neighbours, have you tried cat litter, or sawdust? Or kicking your neighbours head in?
We have some sh!t ones, but luckily the rest are diamonds!

Yes there not to bad to be honest aslong as I try confine the oil to my part of the street it's just when it rains with my house being at the top of the street and the rest going down hill it's the rainbow water running onto evry ones front that pees them off

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Craigevo92 said:
I'm the same mate iv always loved working on cars my dad was a diesel fitter but it was thanks to forums like this that I learnt all these things I've changed 2 gear boxs one on my front with no transmission jack jus a piece of rope from my winch over my roof rack through the sunroof to the gearbox didnt end well for the roof rack lol also done 2 transfer boxs retro fitted discovery 1 difflock linkage so I can turn it on from in the cab new back axle and much more all thanks to the internet every one brings there land rovers to me now to be fixed just cant seem to fix my own this time lol

So have you asked your dad what he thinks then?
Seems like you know your stuff. Helps to have a friend or family member to get you on the right track. I didn't so learned the hard way for a long time until i moved into a house next to a guy who ran a garage from behind his. Real old skool bloke. showed m,e stuff, let me borrow his tools gave me a stack of confidence. then I got into kit cars and things really took off. But only been on Landies since about 2004 and much still to learn, they are different beasts in many ways.

NPG · Aug 8, 2020

Craigevo92 said:
I dont have to push that hard to move it it dosnt spring back it stays wer I pushed it I had the clutch done by emmots of colne it went in for a new gearbox so I asked them to do the dmf and clutch why they had it off they did rocker cover gasket aswell cost me £1200 the clutch is valeo unsure about flywheel brand the car is remmaped 4 inch lift big tyres etc aswell and carries a roof tent every where it goes it's never slipped though

If they replaced the DMF, it would probably be Valeo as well, part of the kit. A little bit of free play is usually allowed but depends on the manufacturer. Valeo states that the max allowance (i.e. travel before you start pushing against the spring) is 15° or the equivalent of 6 teeth on the starter ring. I've looked at your video again and yours seems to be within range but you may want to measure it to make sure.

Craigevo92 · Aug 8, 2020

Stanleysteamer said:
So have you asked your dad what he thinks then?
Seems like you know your stuff. Helps to have a friend or family member to get you on the right track. I didn't so learned the hard way for a long time until i moved into a house next to a guy who ran a garage from behind his. Real old skool bloke. showed m,e stuff, let me borrow his tools gave me a stack of confidence. then I got into kit cars and things really took off. But only been on Landies since about 2004 and much still to learn, they are different beasts in many ways.

I wish he was here for me to ask him mate old age got the better of him 2 years ago he definitely would of came to my rescue if he was here but he did hate land rovers rust buckets I think the phrase was he used !!

Stanleysteamer · Aug 8, 2020

Last thought before I go off for a swim, could there be air trapped in your pipework to the slave cylinder, and how much difference would that make i wonder? Air being compressible an all, might it continue to act when you don't want it.
Really clutching at straws now.

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