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laura

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;) Hi

I have a series 3 landy 2.5D that needs a lot of working doing to it. I am looking to use it for off roading @ local events. I will be honest I am just a girly and being not in the "know" about whats the best type parts i will need to use eg.. suspension....{what type} I've seen Landys on TV and the suspension some have are mad!!! what are they called can I put one on my Landy

Yes its ture you Guys will have your work cut out with me I will need Help evry step of the way

At the momment I sorting out the chassis as the one on is rotten
 
What kind of events?
Give us some idea of your objectives and we can probably steer you a bit better.
I mean the set up for RTV trial sill be quite different for a Comp-Safari.
AND to be honest, a lot of suspension work is done becouse it's derigeur NOT becouse its useful!
I mean a big deal is made of articulation and how you cant get enough of it.
BUT, if you actually look at the problem, you can get extremely seriouse with Z-links and such to let the springs drop, or revolver shackles to let the springs twist, and get 'ultimate' articulation.
Problem at the end of the day is that a wheel that aint in contact with the ground cant transmit drive. Hence the motivation to mod suspension to keep the wheels on the ground.
Trouble is, at the end of it all, by the time you have got that last 1/4" of droop to keep wheel in contact with ground, the load on it is little more than the weight of the axle and it STILL cant transmit that much force!
Step away from it, and fit a diff locker instead, and well, the wheel might stay up in the air, but the one on the other end of the axle will still be able to transmit force - problem solved, without effecting ride height, centre of gravity, steering geometry or prop yoke angle.
Any way, in the mean time - have abrowse around my site:-

Teflon's Torque
 
Well it's just general off roading i want to see how far I can Push it! Eg. The big hill & rocks! Some one was telling me today I should brake a range rover chassis,cut the coil suspension off and join it to the norm chassis -Is it a good idea! I no I don't want leaf suspension! I Know I sound thick but whats a diff locker??

:)

Until I make my mind up with the chassis I can't start to get the ball rolling.The Landy is now striped so just need to make my mind up!
 
OK, well I can see we have a lot of work to do.

First of all HTF do you KNOW that you dont want leaf springs?
- Found the limits of articulation yet?
- Hammered half a dozen bump stops into submission, perhaps?
- Which of the leaf springs limitations have you actually reached?
BTW those questions are retorical - that means I dont need to know the answers.

Sounds to me like you have some 'mates' who want you to have what they thing is best - not necesserily what you need, or may be best for you.

If you dont want a leaf srpung landie - get rid now and go buy a coiler, becouse you are starting from the wrong place.

Dont wast your time faffing about tyrying to build a Hybrid. Its a BIG job to do one and an even bigger one to do it right. And if you dont even know what the pro's and cons between a leaf and a coil are, then you sure as f**K aint going to know how best to set up a hybrid suspension system!

And I dont have the patience to sit here and try and tell you. If you go look on my web-site theres a pretty good article on the subject of suspension upgrades, and if you trawl through the 4x4 web-sites, you should be able to find the answers to any other questions you might have on the topic.

Right. Base line. A Series 3 Land rover is a damn good all round package. And I can almost garantee that off road, the biggest improvement you can make to yours will be the driver!

No dis-respect intended, but as a newbie, its almost certain that a stock Series three in a reasonably well fettles state will have more off-road capability than you can usefully exploit, and are likely to be able to usefully exploit for a very long time.

The same could be said of a stock 90 on coil springs, but the advantages of those are often exagerated and they have their own dissadvantages that mean the likelyhood of you getting yourself into a situation you cant get out of in either are about equal.

So dont dismiss the leaf spring set up too fast. After all, it has had the advantage of about two milenia of development that coild springs haven't!

You say for 'general off-roading' - I shall assume by that you mean more challenging green laning, and Pay&Play days.

For competition, at the one end you have 'Road Taxed Vehicle' or RTV Trails or 'Cross Country Vehicle' or CCV trials.

Trials is for precision driving through and over tight obsticles in a marked section. Demands in Trials are for manouverability and slow speed control more than anything. Soft suspension and reasonable articulation tend to be the more important influences on the suspension.

At the other end, you have comp safari, or hill rally. Like scrambling in 4x4's. Power and speed are the primary consideration here, you want to go fast. Obsticles aren't so demanding, but they are likely to be big, and you could be hitting them at maybe 70mph rather than 7!

Suspension travel and bump control tend to be the primary influences in the set up.

A stock set up is a compromise between the two, and not a bad one.

Now, those are the kind of reasons you might want to move away from a stock suspension set up, for performance reasons. However, a lot of suspension mods are made not for suspension performance but for clerance.

Lift the body away from the axles and you improve your approach, breakout and departure angles. Put simply, you can go over a steeper bump before the front bumper hits it, the chassis grinds on it, or the rear cross member digs in.

Next, lift the suspension and you can get bigger wheels under the wheel arches, and bigger wheels lift the axles further away from the ground, so thay can go over bigger bumps without the diff casing getting hammered.

Problem with this is that the centre of gravity is raised, and the thing is more likely to tip over on a side slop, and will roll horendousely through corners.

Lifts also rarely improve articulation, but sometimes offer more travel - Ie they tend more towards a comp-safari set up than a trials one.

Parabolics on an S3 give about a 2" lift. Add 750 size tyres to a SWB that should have 600's and you gat about another 1 1/2". And that, realistically is plenty to improve clerance angles and get more axle clerance, without pushing the CofG too high.

Practically that is about as far as I'd say is 'reasonable' to go with an S3 set up. You can go further with revolvers, or z-links, and all told a well developed 'extreme leaf' is probably a damn site more useful than a typical 'kit' coiler set up, but in either case, neither has much purpose until you have actually reached the limits of the stock set up.

And even then, a better driver will get more out of a leaf sprung set up than a typical driver will out of a coiler.

And, starting out on leafs is a good way to get good. The coilers have the complience amd travel that the leafers lack, but the leafers have a directness and 'feel' that gives you a lot more feedback to let you know what the wheels are doing, that can make them a lot easier to get to grips with.

At the end of the day, you will do what you want, but I strongly suggest that you actually do some research and dont just believe what your 'mates' blithely tell you and accept it as gospal.

 
Hy Laura,
And welcome to the Landyzone. Seriously good advice from Teflon, particularly the last couple of sentences.
Four wheel drive tec. is expensive. If you can (and it's difficult), think very carefully before you buy ANYTHING.
We all start out as novice drivers, both on and off road, and it's a great place to be. As Teflon correctly points out, a stock Series 3 is a very capable beast in the right hands, and you can have a lot of fun without even thinking of modifying anything. At the same time, you are learning the skills which will stand you in good stead whatever vehicle you are driving.
I think that, for the time being at least, try to restore your Landy to a good, roadworthy condition and go and have some fun.
Take it out and play. You will certainly get stuck, we all do, if you are trying to find out how far you can push things there is no other way, but you will have some great fun and by the time you have done that for a while, you will not need to ask what a diff-lock is, or what the pro's & cons of coils are, you will know.
It's all part of the learning process and if you do it right, it won't cost you a packet either.
Don't be afraid to ask for advice on here, none of 'em bite, and it's what the forum runs on.
Glad to have you along Laura, enjoy the ride.
Cruisremik. :cool: :cool:
 
Hi Laura.... Cruisermik is right, as a newbie to the world of 4x4 you will probably run out of ticker before you run out of vehicle, I know I did for quite a while, I would recommend you keep things pretty standard untill you are really comfortable stretching the vehicles capabilities SAFELY. We have all seen plenty of knuckleheads charging at things bull at a gate only to bust their vehicle, prob themselves at some point and give the rest of us a bad name, so join a good club, build your knowledge and experiance slowly and safely and then if you want something more radical you can build it from a position of knowing exactly what you want and why. These guys really know their stuff and I am sure that you will get all the help you need, take care, catch you around....... Skuzy
 
Thanks Guys you realy all do know your stuff! I will take your advice on keeping things simple as, the S3 I have engine and body wise isn't too bad. It's the chassis thats shot. I think I'll just replace it with a standard S3 like you say take it easy. You see, Since I was a kiddie I've been off roading with motorbikes and now as you know want to play with the S3. I will hold my hands up!!! I didn't see what a big job it was!
I've had loads off fun so far - i'm sure "back in the day" they didn't know what a bit of grease could do for your nuts and bolts!!! :) I'll keep you all updated
 
Good on ya, Laura. A chassis up re-build! It's the only way. The problem is that once you've done it, you'll never be able to sell the old girl.......too much emotional attachment. Your story sounds like me. The first landy I bought had a rotten chassis and I had to re-build it knowing next to rock-all about cars. It was great if not without angst filled moments. I did have to call for professional help and would say to you, don't get down-heartened if you have to, too. In my case, the bulkhead that I fitted at the same time was slightly warped due to crash damage and I couldn't get the doors and body work on. However, other than that, it's my car, I put it together. Great feeling.
 
Come on guys, why complicate things for Laura just to make ourselves look clever;o)
Go to Paddock's online shop, buy a set of parabolic springs (leaf springs) and corresponding shock absorbers. All in all, this will set you back about £300, but is well worth it as they give you a much more bareable ride when tackling rough ground at speed. The most important thing off road is your tyres. Don't bother with regular garages (ats etc), order the tyres you fancy the most from specialised Land Rover suppliers such as paddocks or John Craddock. I've just bid on a set of Broncos from ebay!!! Off roading can be done on o budget, and you don't need biceps like mine to tackle most of the work! Another tip is get a good tow rope, and a mate with a Landy. You never know when you may need a tow from a hole. Winches are generally expensive, but if your usage of winches will be limited (like me), you can pick a brand new one up from ebay for £50 - £100.

Good luck Laura!
 
Hey Laura

Don't want to step on anybodys feet here but there is also a place where I buy my parts from and they are cheep just to keep the cost down. They are called The Buckley Bros at Blackburn they do Mail order. They do Non Gen Britpart. So when you have broken your first landy on a fun day out have a look at there prices.

www.landroverspares.co.uk

I have heard people saying don't buy NoN Gen parts but I have no problem with them. May be Teflon has a comment for you on this ?

MINIMAN
 
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