Bulkhead alignment issues.

the_wolf · Saturday at 04:30

No amount of searching is getting me an answer to this please. Is anyone able to advise on a good way to align the bulkhead? I'm most of the way through a rebuild and I can't for the life of me tilt the bulkhead far enough forward to get the distance from the tub correct. As soon as I tighten everything up and remove the straps it more or less goes back to the same position again.

Defender 110 300tdi

ER1C · Saturday at 07:17

the_wolf said:
No amount of searching is getting me an answer to this please. Is anyone able to advise on a good way to align the bulkhead? I'm most of the way through a rebuild and I can't for the life of me tilt the bulkhead far enough forward to get the distance from the tub correct. As soon as I tighten everything up and remove the straps it more or less goes back to the same position again.

Defender 110 300tdi

Any chance of a pic, it sounds like you may be saying its leaning forward at the top by the roof ?

That's the only place I can think it would be able to move any on its own ? What's moving when you remove the straps ?

Is it galvanised ? could it have warped ? did you compare it to your old one ?

Dippypud · Saturday at 07:32

the_wolf said:
No amount of searching is getting me an answer to this please. Is anyone able to advise on a good way to align the bulkhead? I'm most of the way through a rebuild and I can't for the life of me tilt the bulkhead far enough forward to get the distance from the tub correct. As soon as I tighten everything up and remove the straps it more or less goes back to the same position again.

Defender 110 300tdi

Body panel alignment

Hi folks, Replaced my bulkhead and now have issues with body work line up. Easiest way to demonstrate was by a wee video, so hopefully the link to YouTube works! Any help appreciated!

www.landyzone.co.uk

the_wolf · Saturday at 07:47

ER1C said:
Any chance of a pic, it sounds like you may be saying its leaning forward at the top by the roof ?

That's the only place I can think it would be able to move any on its own ? What's moving when you remove the straps ?

Is it galvanised ? could it have warped ? did you compare it to your old one ?

The distance between the tub and the bulkhead at the bottom is spot on at about 882mm. The top however is too far too the rear so I need to tilt it forwards. I've looked off the bulkhead outrigger bolts, footwell to chassis bolts, and all the steering UJs but when I ratchet strap in forwards to get the distance needed at the top and tighten everything up it just springs back to the same position once the straps are off. It's a galv bulkhead that I fitted years ago so the old one is long gone but it's now on a galv chassis, hence the alignment woes.

the_wolf · Saturday at 08:12

Dippypud said:
Body panel alignment

Hi folks, Replaced my bulkhead and now have issues with body work line up. Easiest way to demonstrate was by a wee video, so hopefully the link to YouTube works! Any help appreciated!

www.landyzone.co.uk

I've read up on absolutely everything I can regarding it but so far had no joy in finding a solution. I need to know if the bulkhead or tub is too low or vice versa and see if that's maybe causing part of the issue

ER1C · Saturday at 09:04

I cant understand why the tub or bulkhead height have much to do with it if its too far backwards.

How much are we talking at the top ?

Dippypud · Saturday at 09:21

the_wolf said:
I've read up on absolutely everything I can regarding it but so far had no joy in finding a solution. I need to know if the bulkhead or tub is too low or vice versa and see if that's maybe causing part of the issue

You need to be sure that the floor is level, to take datum marks and work off of that ...

the_wolf · Saturday at 09:28

Dippypud said:
You need to be sure that the floor is level, to take datum marks and work off of that ...

My driveway is anything but level...

Dippypud · Saturday at 09:44

the_wolf said:
My driveway is anything but level...

Like most of us ... maybe scrounge some plywood to put under the chassis supports/axel stands etc.

meego · Saturday at 13:45

Brittanica guy had a video on YouTube about bulkhead alignment if I remember correctly. There is more to it than I thought there would be when I watched it, but the detail escapes me mate. I think the door cill runners had a bit to do with it and they are shimmed where they mount to the tub !!

ER1C · Saturday at 14:18

boguing · Saturday at 14:25

The only real fore and aft stiffness is in the door pillars - including the brackets for the long chassis bolts. I can only think that something on those isn't right.

I'd lift it off and find a rod that's a nice fit in the bolt tube and see if both sides are at a right angle to the door pillar. Check the pillars for straightness.

julianf · Saturday at 15:23

The brackets that go between the chassis and the, umm, foot well area - there's two versions with the elongated holes at different rotations.

Have a look, and you'll see what I mean.

I had to swap the brackets on my 94 (I assume the original brackets) to the other type and then elongate the holes a bit further.

Too much of a tilt will affect the wings.

Too much of a tilt will affect the doors, but that can be resolved with a die grinder in the bulkhead captive nut holes.

the_wolf · Sunday at 16:34

meego said:
Brittanica guy had a video on YouTube about bulkhead alignment if I remember correctly. There is more to it than I thought there would be when I watched it, but the detail escapes me mate. I think the door cill runners had a bit to do with it and they are shimmed where they mount to the tub !!

Aye I've watched all his videos and they were of some help but I managed to (mostly) get it sorted

meego · Sunday at 16:36

the_wolf said:
Aye I've watched all his videos and they were of some help but I managed to (mostly) get it sorted

Did it involve some “finesse”.
Good to hear from you by the way. Hope all is well in Wolf World ?

the_wolf · Sunday at 16:37

meego said:
Brittanica guy had a video on YouTube about bulkhead alignment if I remember correctly. There is more to it than I thought there would be when I watched it, but the detail escapes me mate. I think the door cill runners had a bit to do with it and they are shimmed where they mount to the tub !!

Aye I've watched all his videos and they were of some help but I managed to (mostl

julianf said:
The brackets that go between the chassis and the, umm, foot well area - there's two versions with the elongated holes at different rotations.

Have a look, and you'll see what I mean.

I had to swap the brackets on my 94 (I assume the original brackets) to the other type and then elongate the holes a bit further.

Too much of a tilt will affect the wings.

Too much of a tilt will affect the doors, but that can be resolved with a die grinder in the bulkhead captive nut holes.

I got it sorted by redrilling the footwell brackets. I'm pretty sure it's because I've got a Shielder bulkhead as they don't get the greatest reputation. The chassis is Richards and the footwell to chassis brackets were form YRM so I'm sure they were spot on. The footwell brackets only had holes that allowed forward and rearward movement which I thought odd but redrilling the brackets has allowed me to get it sorted as much as I can do.

the_wolf · Sunday at 16:38

meego said:
Did it involve some “finesse”.
Good to hear from you by the way. Hope all is well in Wolf World ?

It did, needed the footwell brackets redrilled so it's as good as it'll get.
And aye I'm all good thank you, got a 2 year old son keeping me on my toes but you'll be pleased to know he loves land rovers and working on his cars.

meego · Sunday at 16:42

the_wolf said:
It did, needed the footwell brackets redrilled so it's as good as it'll get.
And aye I'm all good thank you, got a 2 year old son keeping me on my toes but you'll be pleased to know he loves land rovers and working on his cars.

That’s an addition from when I last saw you then. Congratulations on your son mate…..and welcome to a completely different way of life

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