Bio diesel in TD5

Sean · Dec 14, 2010

cheers for that, am 99% certain it'll illegal but i'd love to be proven wrong as i have access to a swimming pools worth of it and it'd be nice to use it for PH fuel - some cock posted the other day something which initially gave me some hope of being proven wrong but he's spectacularly failed to show anything other than ignorance

here's hoping

Shifty1962 · Dec 14, 2010

Found some stuff but it several years old.

This direct from HMRC site as detailed below.

2.1 What are biodiesel, bioblend, bioethanol and bioethanol blend?
The law describes biodiesel as a diesel quality* liquid fuel that is produced from biomass or waste cooking oil:

■the ester content of which is not less than 96.5% by weight, and
■the sulphur content of which does not exceed 0.005% by weight, or is nil.
*diesel quality means that the fuel is a substitute for diesel rather than petrol.

'Bioblend' means any mixture that is produced by mixing:

■biodiesel, and
■heavy oil that has not been charged with the excise duty on hydrocarbon oil.

'Bioethanol' means a liquid fuel:

■consisting of ethanol produced from biomass, and
■capable of being used for the same purposes as light oil.
'Bioethanol blend' means any mixture that is produced by mixing:

■bioethanol, and
■hydrocarbon oil not charged with excise duty.
top ^2.2 Other fuel substitutes
Any liquid that is not hydrocarbon oil, biodiesel, bioblend, bioethanol or bioethanol blend but is used in place of mineral oil to fuel any engine, motor or other machinery is classed as a fuel substitute. Please see paragraph 3.1.1 for further details. This includes:

■any liquid used as a fuel in place of mineral oil
■any liquid which is used as an additive or extender to a mineral oil, or
■any liquid which is used as an additive or extender in a fuel substitute.
However, water is not considered to be a fuel substitute when used in a diesel emulsion when the emulsion is stabilised with additives. Duty is charged only on the non-water part of the fuel.

top ^2.3 Fuel additives
Products such as fuel system cleaners, injector cleaners, fuel conditioners and biocides are considered to be fuel additives and are liable to excise duty. Any product that is added into the fuel supply of vehicles either via the filler cap or via various parts of the fuel system, for example the carburettor, is treated as a fuel additive.

The position can be summarised as follows:

Any product added to motor fuel which is not hydrocarbon oil, as defined in Section 1(2) of the Hydrocarbon Oil Duties Act 1979 (HODA), biodiesel, bioethanol, bioblend or bioethanol blend is considered by the Commissioners to be for use as an additive in that motor fuel and will be subject to excise duty under Section 6A of HODA.

The duty rate is determined by what sort of engine the product is designed to be used in. Therefore products designed for use in a diesel engine take the diesel rate; products designed for an unleaded petrol engine take the unleaded petrol rate; and products designed for use in leaded petrol engines take the leaded petrol rate. Products designed to be multi-purpose (that is, for use in any kind of engine) attract the unleaded petrol rate.

Any product that is 100 per cent hydrocarbon oil and is used solely for lubrication is exempt from excise duty.

HM Revenue & Customs

HM Revenue & Customs

Sean · Dec 14, 2010

gulp - is there a chemist in the house ?

Shifty1962 · Dec 14, 2010

Found this as well but I'm off to my pit now so happy reading.

4.2.1 Exempt producers/users
If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of:

■any biofuel, or
■any other fuel substitute or additive
within the last 12 months, and/or expect to produce or use less than 2,500 litres in the next 12 months, you are an exempt producer and do not need to register with us and account for duty. However, there are simple record keeping requirements, which are described in paragraph 4.9.1.

Production includes the manufacture or processing of road fuel, and the setting aside of any product that has not been charged with duty, with the intention of using it as road fuel.

ratty · Dec 15, 2010

A typical engine oil will contain approx 0.3-0.8% sulpher which puts it way above the 0.005% limit.

As of jan 2011 the sulpher content off red diesel will need to be a max of the current content of normal diesel.

Sulphur Content of Fuel Oil

CHANGES TO GAS OIL (RED DIESEL) SULPHUR CONTENT
The Department for Transport has advised that as from 1st January 2011 all gas oil (red diesel) for use in off road machinery and recreational water borne craft will contain no more than 10 milligrams of sulphur per kilogram of fuel(current level 1000 mgs/kg) making gas oil virtually sulphur free. It is expected that from 1st January 2011 many fuel suppliers and distributors will meet the need for low sulphur gas oil by adding the red excise marker dye into the current low sulphur road diesel and supplying this as gas oil for off road machinery and recreational boats. Because of these changes along with the current bio diesel content of road diesel (up to 7%), the Department of Transport are advising gas oil users of the following precautions and "good housekeeping" when storing gas oil or red diesel, particularly for off road and recreational boat use:
Increased care will be needed in the storage of sulphur free gas oil where this contains bio diesel. The oxidation stability of this fuel will be poorer than that of current gas oil. This can cause solids to form in the gas oil thus potentially blocking filters on diesel transfer pumps or off road engine systems. It is recommended that gas oil turnover be at least every 6 months and no longer than 12 months.
Remove all water from gas oil tanks as this encourages the bacterial growth which can again block fuel filters and potentially damage engines over time.
Because sulphur free gas oil has a more solvent characteristic than current gas oil and will potentially remove any deposits within the storage tank, it is advised that fuel tank & equipment filters be replaced/cleaned after 2-3 tank throu puts of sulphur free gas oil. If in doubt change your fuel tank filters.
Most modern off road machinery should have no problems running on the new sulphur free gas oil to be supplied from 1st January 2011 but machinery owners should be aware that fuel seals and pipes in some older machinery may not be compatible with the new sulphur free gas oil and machinery owners and operators should examine pipes, joints and seals for leaks after the switch over.
Gas oil for heating systems, grain driers, etc is not required to operate on the new sulphur free gas oil. However it is expected that gas oil suppliers and distributors will supply the new sulphur free gas oil for these installations as well. In these cases users are advised to heed the above precautions and contact their local fuel oil distributor for more guidance.

Further information and advice can be found on the Department for Transport web site by clicking the following link: www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/environment/fuelqualitydirectivegasoilrequirements.

LR90 · Dec 15, 2010

Tivster said:
lol
I make 50 litre batches at a time, just for my own use- not a commercial enterprise.
It'd take me 40 days non stop to make you a couple of IBC's worth...
Why not make yer own?
Its not hard, just need a bit of time & some equipment.
Saving 75-80p a litre on regular derv prices- thats a £40 saving on a tankful.
it'll soon pay for itself.

Yeah I see your point! I do have the work shop space soon. I am not fully knolaged up just yet I'm still reading about tanks. Filters. Seperaters. Heat & reactions
I was going to just start again on filtering used wvo to a high STD & just mix it in 50/50 but unfortunately my wvo contacts have dried up :-( . I have been to others but some1 is already taking it :-(

That's why I wanted to see if o could buy it in at a good price.

Bio diesel in TD5

Sean

Banned

Shifty1962

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Sean

Banned

Shifty1962

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ratty

I'm not special I'm limited edition

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