Another brave little Freelander

ratty · Nov 17, 2011

silkwood said:
I know, but normally they have lots of remarks in this Freelander section on landyzone to try to provoke us. Guess this was a good tease.

Nah. We just can't believe that Oddie would stoop so low as to edit the footage to hide the attached tow rope.

silkwood · Nov 17, 2011

ratty said:
Nah. We just can't believe that Oddie would stoop so low as to edit the footage to hide the attached tow rope.

LMAO

Glad you didn't see the rails

ratty · Nov 17, 2011

silkwood said:
LMAO

Glad you didn't see the rails

Bloody cheating hippo drivers.

silkwood · Nov 18, 2011

Hey, that's the spirit

I was getting worried

Cheers.

300bhp/ton · Nov 18, 2011

Tigger said:
I think you'll find that it's just the weight disadvantage here.

Not sure if it's been covered, but could see no mention of it.

But it's not a weight thing.

Well not exactly, ok the FL is lighter, but they still weigh 1.5 tonnes so are easily heavy enough to cause issues should weight be an issue.

No the answer is likely TCS.

To full appreciate this you need to understand how a diff works. But all classic RR's, D1's and pre TD5's have open axle diffs. This means under certain conditions they will not be able to send power to all 4 wheels but only the 2 diagonally opposite ones.

Also the clip looked like most/all where on road biased rubber, so combine this with open axle diffs and it's not surprising this was the end result. You'd have needed to pick a very good line or carry more momentum to get up.

A Freelander on the other hand has a very good TCS system, which will brake a spinning wheel, this applies load to the wheel, load causes wheel HP to increase (like a Brake device that measures Brake Horse Power, hence 'B'hp.).

This increase in wheel HP forces the opposite wheel to rotate. The distinct advantage is the Freelander can make all 4 wheels drive the vehicle forward rather than just the 2 with the least grip. The TCS simulates a locking axle diff, although in someways is superior as it can continually adapt in a more precision manner than a locking diff that simply forces the same wheel speed on each wheel at all times.

However in this instance is proves that technology can make a vehicle like a Freelander superior on a surface like this that was all about traction rather than ground clearance and axle articulation.

Wet grass, snow or sand would likely yield similar results.

Nitrous · Nov 18, 2011

300bhp/ton said:
Not sure if it's been covered, but could see no mention of it.

But it's not a weight thing.

Well not exactly, ok the FL is lighter, but they still weigh 1.5 tonnes so are easily heavy enough to cause issues should weight be an issue.

No the answer is likely TCS.

To full appreciate this you need to understand how a diff works. But all classic RR's, D1's and pre TD5's have open axle diffs. This means under certain conditions they will not be able to send power to all 4 wheels but only the 2 diagonally opposite ones.

Also the clip looked like most/all where on road biased rubber, so combine this with open axle diffs and it's not surprising this was the end result. You'd have needed to pick a very good line or carry more momentum to get up.

A Freelander on the other hand has a very good TCS system, which will brake a spinning wheel, this applies load to the wheel, load causes wheel HP to increase (like a Brake device that measures Brake Horse Power, hence 'B'hp.).

This increase in wheel HP forces the opposite wheel to rotate. The distinct advantage is the Freelander can make all 4 wheels drive the vehicle forward rather than just the 2 with the least grip. The TCS simulates a locking axle diff, although in someways is superior as it can continually adapt in a more precision manner than a locking diff that simply forces the same wheel speed on each wheel at all times.

However in this instance is proves that technology can make a vehicle like a Freelander superior on a surface like this that was all about traction rather than ground clearance and axle articulation.

Wet grass, snow or sand would likely yield similar results.

It's a good explanation but the TC didn't work in that spot. I guess it wasn´t slippery enough for the Freelander.

willo · Nov 18, 2011

ratty said:
Bloody cheating hippo drivers.

He who isn't strong has to be smart .....

ratty · Nov 18, 2011

willo said:
He who isn't strong has to eat blue smarties .....

edited for accuracy

willo · Nov 18, 2011

ratty said:
edited for accuracy

You sob, you know I don't like the blue ones......

ratty · Nov 18, 2011

willo said:
You sob, you know I don't like the blue ones......

they is like redbull but in sweetie form. They might give you wiings.

willo · Nov 18, 2011

I wonder, just ate all the blues (felt nothing so far). What do I do with the other colors now ??

ratty · Nov 19, 2011

willo said:
I wonder, just ate all the blues (felt nothing so far). What do I do with the other colors now ??

Bloody racist. Why are you so against the reds, yellows, oranges etc

Shadows · Nov 20, 2011

Singvogel said:
The best and most accurate thing I've read this year!

Comment by 'Shadows' -

Thanks!

Just found this example too,

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc-m3PZrWlQ]Freelander vs Discovery - YouTube[/ame]

Not as good but made me chuckle

I have taken my Freelander most places I have taken my Disco and beat others... The two require very different driving techniques. Love seeing the looks I get when beating bigger 4x4's in the Freebee

RichM · Nov 20, 2011

Shadows said:
Thanks!

Just found this example too,

Freelander vs Discovery - YouTube

Not as good but made me chuckle

I have taken my Freelander most places I have taken my Disco and beat others... The two require very different driving techniques. Love seeing the looks I get when beating bigger 4x4's in the Freebee

Interesting.

Disco could have done it quite easily with more momentum though. Disco 1's tend to need more momentum than a Freelander in order to avoid getting in trouble.

willo · Nov 20, 2011

ratty said:
Bloody racist. Why are you so against the reds, yellows, oranges etc

To avoid all these problems I switched to M&M's.

ratty · Nov 20, 2011

willo said:
To avoid all these problems I switched to M&M's.

sounds nuts to me.:doh:

willo · Nov 20, 2011

At least people can't call me smart racist anymore......

ratty · Nov 20, 2011

willo said:
At least people can't call me smart racist anymore......

I prefers tooty-fruities myself.... and jelly tots.

willo · Nov 20, 2011

Don't know these two species, I'll stick to M&M's.

K 5ive · Nov 22, 2011

Nice work, good to see the Freelander as a capable off road machine.

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