a bit OT - 4x4 transits

>My 2001 Disco II manual is a little reluctant to go from 1st to 2nd
>when cold. All other changes are fine just 1st to 2nd, is this
>something to worry about or just "thick cold oil". It's done about
>5,000 miles since the last service, when I believe the fuilds where
>changed. The service interval being 12k on a DII, it's quite a while
>until it's due for another...

Par for the course with the R380 gearbox IME. You could try using MTF
instead of ATF - it's allegedly a better oil for the job. When I used
it in mine the gearbox seemed slicker, but that might have been
wishful thinking (especially given the price of the oil).

>
>Also the Hi/Lo transfer is a bit stiff, in that if trying to do a
>rolling Lo to Hi change it's quite hard to get it out of Lo without
>over shooting N and grauncing as you haven't double de clutched yet...
>Is a "stiff" transfer box lever a "feature" or just poor lubrication?

The more you use it, the better it is. I've never driven one with a
particularly slick action, but my Disco was virtually jammed in high
when I bought it. A bit of use freed it off quite a lot.


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On or around Sun, 22 May 2005 12:08:11 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>My 2001 Disco II manual is a little reluctant to go from 1st to 2nd
>when cold. All other changes are fine just 1st to 2nd, is this
>something to worry about or just "thick cold oil".

I reckon it's "thick cold oil", probably. The 'box on my disco is the same;
that has SAE75 synthetic oil in AFAIK, which is good oil except on cold
mornings. as soon as you go about a mile or two up the road, it works as
normal.

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so Dave Liquorice was, like...
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 10:00:22 +0100, Richard Brookman wrote:
>
>>> They do on the last TWO syllables "s" and "kow" but not the last
>>> THREE, "i" "s" "kow".
>>
>> Sorry, in these words "s" is not a syllable in its own right.
>
> Why?

Basically, cos it ain't! A syllable, technically speaking, consists of a
vowel and a consonants or consonant cluster before or after it, making a
complete unit of sound. It's all to do with the sound, and not how it looks
when written, if that's any help. So "see" is one syllable (CV), as is "oh"
(V) as is "art" (VC), as is "cart" (CVC) and "straight" (CVC). The single
consonant "s" is not a syllable as it does not contain a vowel. Unless you
say it in isolation as "ess", when it is then a syllable in its own right,
but you don't say it like that in "fiasco". All languages have their own
rules for what constitutes a syllable - the rule above is for English. In
advanced linguistics, a syllable is defined as a peak of sound energy when
spoken language is measured by oscilloscope or something techy like that.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllable if you're interested. That's
possibly enough on that topic

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Rich
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S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)

On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:26:41 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>That's possibly enough on that topic

Just when you were getting into a...

.... rhythm

(must be the gravitational force of the syzygy)...

so Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like...
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:26:41 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That's possibly enough on that topic
>
> Just when you were getting into a...
>
> ... rhythm
>
> (must be the gravitational force of the syzygy)...

Still vowels, Martyn, still vowels...

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Rich
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Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)

On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:05:40 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Just when you were getting into a...
>>
>> ... rhythm
>>
>> (must be the gravitational force of the syzygy)...
>
>Still vowels, Martyn, still vowels...

Facetious?

so Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like...
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:05:40 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Just when you were getting into a...
>>>
>>> ... rhythm
>>>
>>> (must be the gravitational force of the syzygy)...
>>
>> Still vowels, Martyn, still vowels...
>
> Facetious?

Strengthlessness?

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Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)

so Richard Brookman was, like...
> so Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like...
>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:05:40 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> Just when you were getting into a...
>>>>
>>>> ... rhythm
>>>>
>>>> (must be the gravitational force of the syzygy)...
>>>
>>> Still vowels, Martyn, still vowels...
>>
>> Facetious?
>
> Strengthlessness?

(I was feeling abstemious)

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Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)

On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:49 +0100, Tim Hobbs wrote:

> Par for the course with the R380 gearbox IME. You could try using
> MTF instead of ATF - it's allegedly a better oil for the job.

The motor is under warranty so I won't be doing it the dealer will but
I ask what they put in. Mind they probably won't know...

But basically it seems like "thick cold oil", it doesn't take long
before the problem goes away.

> The more you use it, the better it is. I've never driven one with a
> particularly slick action, but my Disco was virtually jammed in high
> when I bought it. A bit of use freed it off quite a lot.

I gave it a good waggle the other day and it did seem a bit free off a
bit, not a great deal. I'll just have keep waggling it and practicing
the rolling change. I need it anyway, never having had a non-syncro
box to play with before. B-)

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On or around Sun, 22 May 2005 23:57:18 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>> The more you use it, the better it is. I've never driven one with a
>> particularly slick action, but my Disco was virtually jammed in high
>> when I bought it. A bit of use freed it off quite a lot.
>
>I gave it a good waggle the other day and it did seem a bit free off a
>bit, not a great deal. I'll just have keep waggling it and practicing
>the rolling change. I need it anyway, never having had a non-syncro
>box to play with before. B-)

Bear in mind that the transfer box is not designed for rolling changes, as
well as being non-synchro.

chances are it's the external linkages. On mine, it works beautifully after
having the box out and apart and cleaning and lubing the linkages properly.
Shame it's gonne be sold now, really, but I can't afford to keep it. And if
I want and can afford a private motor, nice though the disco is, I'll get
the 4x4 sierra sorted, as that's a cracking car to drive when on form.

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Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)

On or around Sun, 22 May 2005 21:25:48 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>so Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like...
>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:05:40 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> Just when you were getting into a...
>>>>
>>>> ... rhythm
>>>>
>>>> (must be the gravitational force of the syzygy)...
>>>
>>> Still vowels, Martyn, still vowels...
>>
>> Facetious?
>
>Strengthlessness?

Ysybyty Ystwyth.

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If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:24:40 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:

> Bear in mind that the transfer box is not designed for rolling
> changes, as well as being non-synchro.

Procedure for Lo to Hi is described as "advanced" in the book...

Useful if towing summat heavy and you need the grunt to get things
moving without slipping the clutch. Pretty sure the farmers use the
technique just by us at the top of a hill when hauling a fully laden
double decker Ifor Williams.

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On or around Mon, 23 May 2005 09:50:30 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:24:40 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> Bear in mind that the transfer box is not designed for rolling
>> changes, as well as being non-synchro.
>
>Procedure for Lo to Hi is described as "advanced" in the book...
>
>Useful if towing summat heavy and you need the grunt to get things
>moving without slipping the clutch. Pretty sure the farmers use the
>technique just by us at the top of a hill when hauling a fully laden
>double decker Ifor Williams.

I've done it before now, both up and down. to go down you really do have to
get it right.

Up ain't so bad.

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If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:25:20 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> made me spill my meths when he wrote:

>Ysybyty Ystwyth.

FX <flyspray>
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so Austin Shackles was, like...
> On or around Sun, 22 May 2005 21:25:48 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> so Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like...
>>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:05:40 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Just when you were getting into a...
>>>>>
>>>>> ... rhythm
>>>>>
>>>>> (must be the gravitational force of the syzygy)...
>>>>
>>>> Still vowels, Martyn, still vowels...
>>>
>>> Facetious?
>>
>> Strengthlessness?
>
> Ysybyty Ystwyth.

Maenclochog, Mynachlogddu, Eglwyswrw, Upper Cwmtwrch, and...

Mornington Crescent!


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Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)