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Hey all,

Sorry to but in on this thread, but!

As we are on the subject or diff locks and gears etc, there was a post saying about keeping all the wheels moving at the same pace in difflock mode,

i got stuck yesterday at wildtracks, low ratio diff lock on, But when i tried getting out i was looking at the wheels my side from the window and only the rear one was spinning?, the front did look like there was some force there, but it would not spin

is that normal?, as i thought all wheels would have been spinning, if the front one spun i think i would have got out ok?

Centre difflock doesn't keep all the wheels moving at the same speed it keeps both propshafts moving at the same speed. If you lose traction at the wheels you won't move, theorectically if you lose traction to a rear wheel then the front axle should still have drive and that should get you out, but if you lose traction one wheel at the front as well then your not going anywhere.

redhand said:

Why no recovery on a ball?? A ball will always be stronger than a rear mounted Jate Ring. If your worried about the strap coming off a proper sized shackle will lock onto the ball. If your worried that the ball might shear what evidence do you have to back up your fears. (I've provided proof as to the shearing /tearing stresses for pins etc). I don't understand your reference to shockloading on a towball. Snatch recoveries are inherently dangerous regardless of fixing points and should never be used at all. KER ropes are banned by most CCV & RCT events. How is a towball going to hit you if your been recovered by a tractor. it'll be behind you and will head for the tractor not you. If all you have to attach a towrope to is a rear jate ring or a towball choose the towball everytime. Or better still use the ball and attach a failsafe strap from the jate ring to the ball

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The tractor will be behind you and he is not important he's only a farmer, there's plenty of them about.

The shackle might not slip off the ball end but the other end when sheared is an open shaft, and I need to presume you have a strap or rope through the shackle, so its not really locked onto the ball is it.

And balls are banned as you quoted for recovery by some clubs also, so somebody has reasons for it.

Anyway you and I have given both arguments, for, and against, using a ball and therefore enough advice is available, and that is why we do what we do. If they want to research it further then we have provided the doubts to fuel it.

david451 said:

Anyway you and I have given both arguments, for, and against, using a ball and therefore enough advice is available, and that is why we do what we do. If they want to research it further then we have provided the doubts to fuel it.

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No I have given arguments and facts and figures to back that argument up.

You have read on a few sites that someone has heard (somewhere) that towballs have been known to shear but they're not sure who told them or what the circumstances were behind the failure. Then you've started sprouting that as Gospel, with no evidence or proof to back your comment up. You've also seen loads of people using Jate rings often welded ones (a big no no) and decided that, that must be a good way to recover a stuck landy Even though they were only ever designed for air transportation and were never supposed to be used for recovery purposes. If your going to argue a point make sure you have the evidence to reinforce your point of view. don't just sprout rhetoric because you believe it to be true. The scorpion challenge lists it's requirements for recovery point as "a minimum of one towball at the front and rear of each vehicle".

If you want to promote safe practises provide reasons not dogma.

redhand said:

No I have given arguments and facts and figures to back that argument up.

You have read on a few sites that someone has heard (somewhere) that towballs have been known to shear but they're not sure who told them or what the circumstances were behind the failure. Then you've started sprouting that as Gospel, with no evidence or proof to back your comment up. You've also seen loads of people using Jate rings often welded ones (a big no no) and decided that, that must be a good way to recover a stuck landy Even though they were only ever designed for air transportation and were never supposed to be used for recovery purposes. If your going to argue a point make sure you have the evidence to reinforce your point of view. don't just sprout rhetoric because you believe it to be true. The scorpion challenge lists it's requirements for recovery point as "a minimum of one towball at the front and rear of each vehicle".

If you want to promote safe practises provide reasons not dogma.

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Never mentioned anything about reading anything on any site, that's your head.

Never mentioned loads of people using Jate rings welded or otherwise either, or that they must be a good way to recover a vehicle, your imagination again. In actual fact I don't like them because they're difficult to get to in a bogged in situation. I did sugest a strap around the bar though instead of the ball.

Several clubs ban them so I removed my swan neck.

Jate rings were never designed for recovery!!, so neither were tow balls, and load tested with towing factors not untested unmeasured static loads applied at unusual angles and with another vehicle in conditions never ever considered at the time of testing or manufacture of that component.

Whats the force exerted on a ball then on a disco stuck in mud, fit a strap and it breaks, what do you think happens next go home or fit a stronger strap, and if it's on an incline what then is the force, and what if its loaded, and what if the pulling vehicle is manned by a clutch happy maniac.

Evidence your not providing any evidence to support your argument. just rehashing the same points without providing any evidence to support your argument.

strap round what bar????? my 90 doesn't have a bar. the towhitch bolts directly to the rear crossmember