300tdi or td5?

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I have decided to buy a 110 to take the family camping and to use as a run around at weekends. It will have to take us all from Leicester to Cornwall in 4 weeks.

Which would you guys recommend, a td5 or 300. I will spend up to circa £10k but would be keen to spend less. I have read a couple of comments about the electrics on td5s being unreliable. Is this true? Which out of the two is better at cruising at 60/70mph?

Any advice would be gratefully received.

Thanks
 
both will do 70mph all day no probs.for 10k you can get a nice TD5 but they gonna be more expensive to fix. 300tdi is more basic engine you will get a very nice one for well under 10k fix it urself I'd get one of them but if ur willing to spend its ur call
 
I have a 1996 110 300tdi, which any mechanic in the land will be able to work on if you break down unexpectedly. Meaning cheaper bills.

The TD5 I believe may require diagnostic equipment to identify certain faults, which perhaps restricts who can repair it. But Id guess they drive better and pull away a bit quicker. They certainly seem to overtake me quite often
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Earlier this year I wanted to change mine for a TD5 and I was advised to get one that was newer then 2002, as most of the TD5 problems had been ironed out. But the newer ones are more expensive.

In the end I kept my 300tdi and have since had a galvanised chassis and galvanised bulkhead fitted. So it should outlive me (unless the pikeys nik it!).
 
Having had both - an early Td5 90 and a late 300Tdi 110 I'd pick the 300Tdi any day. I can't vouch for the newer Td5s which are meant to be more reliable but never had an issue with sitting at 70 (or 80) all day long in the 110.

Recently the 90 was struggling to reach 50 but that we think was down to a blocked fuel-filter, we're getting rid of it now so haven't driven it since it's been sorted out.

Even when the Td5 was behaving properly I still think this 300 pulls better - travelling along the A465 (Heads of the Valleys) with lots of nice long steep hills she'll still accelerate (albeit slowly) all the way up, even when you're at 60+ when you start. The Td5 used to potter up at 55.

Can also fix it yourself.
 
Must have been something wrong with your TD5 then.
Most of the comments on here are from peeps repeating what they've been told by peeps doing exactly the same.
I'd take my TD5 everytime against a Tdi of any flavour but that does not mean I'll run the Tdi down as I've never owned one. However I've driven hundreds of them all over the world and the TD5 is my weapon of choice.
Best advice I can give is drive both and make your own decision on what your gut tells you. Forget about dodgy electrics and all the other tosh you'll hear. Look after you motor and it will serve you well whatever type you get. Good luck.
 
Shifty1962 said:
Must have been something wrong with your TD5 then.
Most of the comments on here are from peeps repeating what they've been told by peeps doing exactly the same.
I'd take my TD5 everytime against a Tdi of any flavour but that does not mean I'll run the Tdi down as I've never owned one. However I've driven hundreds of them all over the world and the TD5 is my weapon of choice.
Best advice I can give is drive both and make your own decision on what your gut tells you. Forget about dodgy electrics and all the other tosh you'll hear. Look after you motor and it will serve you well whatever type you get. Good luck.
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Oh I'm not denying there was something wrong with it (hence why I made a point of saying it was an early one). But after that experience I think I'd skip the Td5 completely if I ever had a chance. To be honest I'm quite happy with my 300Tdi 110 and if I was going to get another vehicle would probably go for something with the 3.0lTDV6 (if I ever got that amount of money). God that's a good engine.
 
The 300TDI has more torque low down and doesn't need revved to pull away from a standstill. I think the TD5 has more at the top end though. People who travel across Africa mostly rely on the older engine too as do (I believe) the British Army.
 
As long as you buy a straight one.... ie original engine with no serious modifications and not been ragged off road it should do the job you want it to. Test drive is best.... fully load it with wives and kids etc so you know what to expect for a loaded trip.
 
300tdi all the way, advantages far outway any disadvantage. Cheaper to service, no need for diagnostics if it stops (not that they do), can run on veg oil, give more miles to the gallon, have better low down torque, clutch replacement does not require a new flywheel to be fitted aswell. Parts can be obtained anywhere for them. Just make sure that the cambelt has been changed or if not budget that into the purchase cost, the budget that you have stated will buy you a good, service book stamped 110 csw, mine can cruise all day and night towing a 3 ton trailer loaded from Merseyside to here in Portugal at 65 to 70mph all the way only requiring the use of 4th gear to get over the climbs in Spain for the Pyrenese. Still returns 30+mpg
 
Possej said:
I have decided to buy a 110 to take the family camping and to use as a run around at weekends. It will have to take us all from Leicester to Cornwall in 4 weeks.

Which would you guys recommend, a td5 or 300. I will spend up to circa £10k but would be keen to spend less. I have read a couple of comments about the electrics on td5s being unreliable. Is this true? Which out of the two is better at cruising at 60/70mph?

Any advice would be gratefully received.

Thanks
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300Tdi or Td5, get the wife and kids in one before you buy as the legroom in the second row seats is pathetic, pity to buy one only to find nobody will go anywhere with you.
ps. any land rover will get you from leicester to cornwall in four weeks.
 
bmp42 said:
300tdi all the way, advantages far outway any disadvantage. Cheaper to service, no need for diagnostics if it stops (not that they do), can run on veg oil, give more miles to the gallon, have better low down torque, clutch replacement does not require a new flywheel to be fitted aswell. Parts can be obtained anywhere for them. Just make sure that the cambelt has been changed or if not budget that into the purchase cost, the budget that you have stated will buy you a good, service book stamped 110 csw, mine can cruise all day and night towing a 3 ton trailer loaded from Merseyside to here in Portugal at 65 to 70mph all the way only requiring the use of 4th gear to get over the climbs in Spain for the Pyrenese. Still returns 30+mpg
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Cheaper to service - how so? Last time I looked the TD5 uses oil and filters not moon dust. The only expensive stuff is the MTF for the gearbox.
Better low down torque ? Not according to the official figures from LR which is why they fitted thicker halfshafts and larger prop UJs as standard even on the 90s.
TD5 can run on derv, veggie, bio, heating oil, or used engine oil as its injection system atomises the fuel much more efficiently at 3000 bar or 45,000 psi. No fannying about with injection pumps, mechanical timing, and leaking injector pipes.
My TD5 does about 30mpg around town and more on a run but I have a lead right foot and a dirty great Hannibal roof rack.
Parts are readily available from any LR dealership or many more Indys.
TD5 has a duplex timing chain so no changing of cambelts or fear of them breaking. The chain will outlast the engine.
Replacing the TD5 clutch does not require a new flywheel unless the flywheel was damaged but thats the same in any Landy.
I regularly tow a double horsebox at 60mph (legal max in UK) with ease but 70mph + is no problem.
As I said before its the same old fairy stories over and over again.
 
I,m not saying go for one or the other, as I only have experience of the 200 and the TD5.

I will say that my brother,s 99 Td5 90, ( which was imported from new ), has run faultlessly for 11 years now, and done 65k. ( not big miles I know ).
All he,s replaced is the fuel pump and the starter motor contacts.

I have a TD5 Disco, and engine wise, its had a new Fuel Pressure Regulator, fuel pump and injector loom. Its done 85k.

Del.
 
Thank you all for your feedback. I wish I could say I have a clear idea of which one I now want, but I don't. The 300 sounds a sensible option but I haven't seen many for sale that appeal. There seem to be more choice of td5 for circa£10k that are sub 100k
I will keep pondering and may bother you all again for some more opinions.
Thanks again for the comments.
 
I agree with Shifty,

I personally would have a TD5, I do about 80 miles a day and get an average of 35mpg.

I had it in a Ski Resort for 5 months, started in at -20, first time many times, It got completly frosted inside and outside every morning (couldnt open the doors etc) but it always started and all the water inside/frost never did anything to the electrics (in the car or engine).

Also doesnt a 300 need servicing every 6000 miles? More filters and oil!!!

Im not against a 300, but it just annoys me when people have a go at TD5s when they havent used or owned one.

They are both Land Rovers!!

That would annoy me as i do so many miles.
 
robpenrose said:
Also doesnt a 300 need servicing every 6000 miles? More filters and oil!!!

Im not against a 300, but it just annoys me when people have a go at TD5s when they havent used or owned one.

They are both Land Rovers!!
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Point 1) According to these checklists they both do:
http://www.4x4network.co.uk/pdf/def-td5.pdf
http://www.4x4network.co.uk/pdf/def-300tdi.pdf

Point 2) Owned both and although I don't deny there aren't good Td5s out there I've never had a good experience with the one we had. Also never got above 26mpg with it (even sitting at 55).

Point 3) Well said - although as typical with LR better to go for a late model.
 
I have just spent £9K ON A 300TDI ex RNLI by land rover special vehicles. Would,nt have it any other way. Look for a complete service history.
 
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