P38A 2001 keeps blowing no1 fuse...Now FIXED

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This car has been to several garages and has ended up with us (I have a small interest,use of tools space etc in the garage)
It had dash board cluster fault repair
done not by us and since then keeps blowing bcm fuse1.
we have systematically disconnected all components that use that fuse and it still blows.
Unplugged connector C258 and it still blows...fault likely to be inside bcm? or anyone had same prob?..can bcm be repaired without re-prog?...Any help greatly received...
 
This car has been to several garages and has ended up with us (I have a small interest,use of tools space etc in the garage)
It had dash board cluster fault repair
done not by us and since then keeps blowing bcm fuse1.
we have systematically disconnected all components that use that fuse and it still blows.
Unplugged connector C258 and it still blows...fault likely to be inside bcm? or anyone had same prob?..can bcm be repaired without re-prog?...Any help greatly received...

Sounds like a short. Have you checked what is on F1 in RAVE? How about taking the cluster out and seeing if any wires are trapped and touching metal? Anyone had the metal strip by the door up and screwed through the loom with something?
 
This car has been to several garages and has ended up with us (I have a small interest,use of tools space etc in the garage)
It had dash board cluster fault repair
done not by us and since then keeps blowing bcm fuse1.
we have systematically disconnected all components that use that fuse and it still blows.
Unplugged connector C258 and it still blows...fault likely to be inside bcm? or anyone had same prob?..can bcm be repaired without re-prog?...Any help greatly received...

Think you need Rick the pick. Fault must be inside BECM if it blows with C258 unplugged..
 
Think you need Rick the pick. Fault must be inside BECM if it blows with C258 unplugged..

That's our thinking just wanted it confirmed...nobody down here in Algarve does repairs so likely will need Rick...thanks...
Sounds like a short. Have you checked what is on F1 in RAVE? How about taking the cluster out and seeing if any wires are trapped and touching metal? Anyone had the metal strip by the door up and screwed through the loom with something?

Have checked everything on Rave that uses F1 and none seem to be faulty and eliminating them one by one makes no difference.My mate has a pretty comprehensive diagnostic kit and knows how to use it.But nowhere down here to check BECM or repair.thanks..
 
Thanks for input ..been in touch with Rick got what needs to be done...Waiting for go ahead from owner...was well impressed with Callrova responce and websute...
 
Quick update...
The plot thickens...the owner sent the BCEM,ECU,and key fob to callrova last March and paid 350€ for repair...don't know who refitted it or when the fault it now has appeared...owner sending everything back to callrova...Barry has spoken to Rick who has assured him there would be no fault in the returned BCEM and the fault now has occured after re-fitting...there's been so many people fiddling with this car adding after market looms etc that Barry has told owner he will not be responsible for fitting it on its return but is willing to show him that there is no faults on equip supplied by fuse 1 and the decision on the way forward is his...will keep you posted...
 
So BECM back from Rick with an instrument binnicle and 2 keys all supplied to us by owner through the English Mechanic who can't fix it hence it's with us...Rick advised new fuse box Barry received from mechanic second hand and wrong one...new box fitted today...same problem No1 fuse pops...after stripping out and checking looms for damage we disconnected in turn supply from BECM to fuse box and bingo cable C105 the green\brown that goes to the underside of the fuse box when disconnected fuse doesn't blow...all we need to do now is find what it supplied...it was 5pm and the cars in the sun and everything from tools to leather seats were bloody hot so beer time...tomorrow's another day...
 
Is it JUST fuse 1 that it blows? the Brown/Light green wire that is C105, on the post on the side of the BECM is one of the main power feeds to the BECM from the underbonnet fuse box. It feeds into the BECM and it feed fuse F1, F2, F3, F4 and some internal components on the BECM board.

So if you disconnect that wire at the fuse box end and it doesn't blow fuse 1, then that's likely because F1 isn't receiving power any more.

On my first P38, one of those main BECM feeds was pinched between the fuse box and the bodywork and rubbed through and was arcing to the bodywork and ended up frying the BECM for me... the previous owner had changed the fuse box, or so he told me when I bought the vehicle.

That Brown/Green wire, according to the ETM is fed from Max Fuse 1 in the underbonnet fuse box, and feeds the cluster, radio, clock, key illumination, and both front footwell lamps off of one feed wire from the BECM and then splices out in the loom. It also feeds the window switchpack and the rear footwell lamp from a different wire/connector on the BECM.

If you are just getting fuse F1 blow, then to me the issue HAS to be on the output side of the BECM, and most likely in the wiring loom. I would pull fuse F1, and measure which pin has 12V on it... which will be the feed from the Brown/Green wire. If you then se a multimeter and do a continuity test from the OTHER pin without 12V on it (as this is then the one that feeds out of the BECM to the splice and everything it powers) to ground. If you have a connection to ground that shows 0-1 ohms (depending on the multimeter) then you have a short to ground on the output side of the BECM.

If the vehicle has an aftermarket stereo in it, then that would be my prime candidate and would start by popping the head unit and checking the wiring in there. I've seen all sorts of issues stemming from bad connections, through to a self-tapping screw through the bodywork (to hold a LPG feed pipe that was running to the engine bay) which then hit into the loom and shorted a few different wires. I've also seen and repaired wiring issues where coolant soaked into the foam from leaking heater matrix O-rings has gotten into the wiring and caused it to corrode. One I fixed was easy to tell where the problem was, by the puff of smoke coming from the wiring loom when I lifted the footwell carpet.

I could be totally wrong, but if the fault was on the input side to the BECM, on that Brown/Green wire then a) you'd be seeing more issues than what you've described, as the Maxi fuse is rated at about 60A - and when that cable was shorting out on mine first one, it didn't blow F1 - it just caused bits in the BECM to shut down, and the cluster to go dead while driving, but the fuse was intact... and b) the fact it's JUST F1 blowing says to me that it's blowing as it's protecting something on the output of the BECM... If you know the BECM is good, and you get 12V to F2,3,4 with the Brown/Green wire connected and F1 removed, then your issue is further down the line.

I hope this helps...
Marty
 
@martyuk thanks very much for that...will be back at the garage later today and will pass on to Barry who is the mechanic I just have an interest in the shed and help out..
 
Is it JUST fuse 1 that it blows? the Brown/Light green wire that is C105, on the post on the side of the BECM is one of the main power feeds to the BECM from the underbonnet fuse box. It feeds into the BECM and it feed fuse F1, F2, F3, F4 and some internal components on the BECM board.

So if you disconnect that wire at the fuse box end and it doesn't blow fuse 1, then that's likely because F1 isn't receiving power any more.

On my first P38, one of those main BECM feeds was pinched between the fuse box and the bodywork and rubbed through and was arcing to the bodywork and ended up frying the BECM for me... the previous owner had changed the fuse box, or so he told me when I bought the vehicle.

That Brown/Green wire, according to the ETM is fed from Max Fuse 1 in the underbonnet fuse box, and feeds the cluster, radio, clock, key illumination, and both front footwell lamps off of one feed wire from the BECM and then splices out in the loom. It also feeds the window switchpack and the rear footwell lamp from a different wire/connector on the BECM.

If you are just getting fuse F1 blow, then to me the issue HAS to be on the output side of the BECM, and most likely in the wiring loom. I would pull fuse F1, and measure which pin has 12V on it... which will be the feed from the Brown/Green wire. If you then se a multimeter and do a continuity test from the OTHER pin without 12V on it (as this is then the one that feeds out of the BECM to the splice and everything it powers) to ground. If you have a connection to ground that shows 0-1 ohms (depending on the multimeter) then you have a short to ground on the output side of the BECM.

If the vehicle has an aftermarket stereo in it, then that would be my prime candidate and would start by popping the head unit and checking the wiring in there. I've seen all sorts of issues stemming from bad connections, through to a self-tapping screw through the bodywork (to hold a LPG feed pipe that was running to the engine bay) which then hit into the loom and shorted a few different wires. I've also seen and repaired wiring issues where coolant soaked into the foam from leaking heater matrix O-rings has gotten into the wiring and caused it to corrode. One I fixed was easy to tell where the problem was, by the puff of smoke coming from the wiring loom when I lifted the footwell carpet.

I could be totally wrong, but if the fault was on the input side to the BECM, on that Brown/Green wire then a) you'd be seeing more issues than what you've described, as the Maxi fuse is rated at about 60A - and when that cable was shorting out on mine first one, it didn't blow F1 - it just caused bits in the BECM to shut down, and the cluster to go dead while driving, but the fuse was intact... and b) the fact it's JUST F1 blowing says to me that it's blowing as it's protecting something on the output of the BECM... If you know the BECM is good, and you get 12V to F2,3,4 with the Brown/Green wire connected and F1 removed, then your issue is further down the line.

I hope this helps...
Marty

Welcome back, Marty. Hope all is well with you. Stopping in the UK briefly?
 
@martyuk...Folowed your suggestions re continuity test and unplugged connectors in turn got a result on the last one which goes to window switch pack wires felt right so removed centre console to find wires caught round console fixing stud and had been squashed when tightened down at some point breaking insulation...cut out broken section and crimped connectors on and everything back to normal...Thanks again we really apreciate your help with this one...
 
@martyuk...Folowed your suggestions re continuity test and unplugged connectors in turn got a result on the last one which goes to window switch pack wires felt right so removed centre console to find wires caught round console fixing stud and had been squashed when tightened down at some point breaking insulation...cut out broken section and crimped connectors on and everything back to normal...Thanks again we really apreciate your help with this one...
Nice one:D
 
Welcome back, Marty. Hope all is well with you. Stopping in the UK briefly?

I've actually been in the UK since the end of June (having a few withdrawal symptoms from airports though... ) having clocked up 28 flights in the first half of the year by the time I got back from Dubai!!

I've had a few jobs in the UK, and also been nursing my own RR back to full health after the PS pump I fitted 3 years ago as preventative maintenance (I was doing the steering box etc so figured worth replacing the 15yr old pump with a new one - LR part and all!) decided to have the pulley fail, which shredded the belt, and then because I was on a road with no hard shoulder to pull over, I had to keep going - coolant got hot/pressurized as no water pump turning, which blew the heater core, and burnt my left foot pretty badly from boiling hot coolant raining down on it. Oh, and this was all at 11pm at 70mph... First time in 10+ years of P38 ownership I've had one on the back of a recovery truck, so I guess there's a first time for everything. I was expecting to have to pull the top end apart to do head gaskets or something like that, but other than putting the old power steering pump back on, a new belt, and pulling the dash to put a new heater core in (and new blend motors whilst it was in bits), she seems to be OK. Foot has taken 5 weeks to heal and is nearly there. Also been working on other projects - I have a new nav system on the way (as the old one didn't like being sprayed with coolant whilst running!), so working on bits for that and had other bits to look at for other people. I check in on here and the other forums I'm on occasionally, but been trying to unwind a bit aswell, because I'm starting to get busy again with work now!

@martyuk...Folowed your suggestions re continuity test and unplugged connectors in turn got a result on the last one which goes to window switch pack wires felt right so removed centre console to find wires caught round console fixing stud and had been squashed when tightened down at some point breaking insulation...cut out broken section and crimped connectors on and everything back to normal...Thanks again we really apreciate your help with this one...

I'm glad you found it and it was a simple fix - we like those! :D

I'm just lucky I inherited my interest in electronics from my father - I've told him a few times that I blame him for getting involved so much in the RR side of things :p
 
Thanks to you we found it...the car is outside in full Algarvian sun so everything you touch is blistering hot especially the leather seats...If your ever down here get in touch please there's a meal and beer awaiting...

That's very kind of you, thank you! I'm not sure when I'm next even going to be able to escape for a break of any kind as the rest of the year for me is starting to get busy with work, but if I find myself over there, I will let you know! It's always nice to chat Range Rovers with other people, especially over a cold beer!
 
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