200 tdi running issues

wiltshire landyman · Jul 25, 2015

fitted a 2nd hand injection pump to my 200 disco
it starts on the button just fine.
but it just wont rev very well and is so sluggish I know my last pump was tweaked which made a hooge difference.
pulling away in first it will almost stall and u need to give it some beans to get it moving
other issue is its guzzling the fuel..
60 litres to do 63 miles
theres no leaks anywhere
any ideas ??

wammers · Jul 25, 2015

If it's using that much fuel you should have a cloud of black smoke out the back like a destroyer laying a smoke screen. It cannot use that much fuel and not smoke. Maybe look at the diaphragm in the boost fuel control someone may have been playing with it or is has an hole in it.

wiltshire landyman · Jul 25, 2015

wammers said:
If it's using that much fuel you should have a cloud of black smoke out the back like a destroyer laying a smoke screen. It cannot use that much fuel and not smoke. Maybe look at the diaphragm in the boost fuel control someone may have been playing with it or is has an hole in it.

thanks will have a look..it smokes less than my tweaked pump did..i would say dark grey smoke definitely not plumes of black
its just so slowwwwww its unreal

Trewey · Jul 25, 2015

Timing is out.
1 or 2 teeth on the belt.

wammers · Jul 25, 2015

wiltshire landyman said:
thanks will have a look..it smokes less than my tweaked pump did..i would say dark grey smoke definitely not plumes of black
its just so slowwwwww its unreal

At nearly a litre of fuel a mile you have a big problem. 60 litres is 13.18 gallons 63 miles out of that is around 4.78 miles per gallon if it's not smoking it would be a bloody miracle. Tweaking the pump is easy you just increase fuel on the adjuster, then rev and adjust for minimum smoke, then drop idle back to normal. Playing with the boost fuel regulator can cause a lot of problems if you don't know what you are doing. Your new pump may have been played with by someone in that category.

wammers · Jul 25, 2015

Trewey said:
Timing is out.
1 or 2 teeth on the belt.

Could also well be the case. Needs a good coat of looking at.

wiltshire landyman · Jul 25, 2015

we retimed it twice to make sure as we fitted a new belt..with timing adjusted it wouldn't start

wiltshire landyman · Jul 25, 2015

the last pump we had on it we tweaked and it really flew along now its terrible no get up and go atall

wammers · Jul 25, 2015

wiltshire landyman said:
we retimed it twice to make sure as we fitted a new belt..with timing adjusted it wouldn't start

No disrespect, but think you need some who knows what they are doing to look at it. Did you have the crank locked when you timed it?

wiltshire landyman · Jul 25, 2015

wammers said:
No disrespect, but think you need some who knows what they are doing to look at it. Did you have the crank locked when you timed it?

been working on landrovers for over 15 years and have replaced more engines and more timing kits after cambelt breakage than I care to remember so I like to think we know what were doing

and yes timing pins were used

wammers · Jul 25, 2015

wiltshire landyman said:
been working on landrovers for over 15 years and have replaced more engines and more timing kits after cambelt breakage than I care to remember so I like to think we know what were doing and yes timing pins were used

Ok fair enough, but it makes one wonder why with all that experience you have to ask why the car is not performing on here.

wiltshire landyman · Jul 25, 2015

wammers said:
Ok fair enough, but it makes one wonder why with all that experience you have to ask why the car is not performing on here.

because not everyone knows everything them that say they do are just tits.weve used up all the things we would normally try so thought I would ask on here as it is after all a landrover group where people get help/advise/support is it not?and maybe someone may come up with something we haven't tried yet .
its pointing towards a faulty pump before we go removeing it thought I would ask the forum for advice

wammers · Jul 25, 2015

wiltshire landyman said:
because not everyone knows everything them that say they do are just tits.weve used up all the things we would normally try so thought I would ask on here as it is after all a landrover group where people get help/advise/support is it not?and maybe someone may come up with something we haven't tried yet .
its pointing towards a faulty pump before we go removeing it thought I would ask the forum for advice

Best get on with it then and leave us tits alone.

wiltshire landyman · Jul 25, 2015

wammers said:
Best get on with it then and leave us tits alone.

so your saying you know everything

wammers · Jul 25, 2015

wiltshire landyman said:
so your saying you know everything

No not everything but a lot more than most on these subjects. Have a look at what i have already suggested. If it's timed correctly the problem has to be in the boost tower or the pump has an internal fail. http://www.dieselbookmarks.com/bombers/VEPump.pdf

wiltshire landyman · Jul 25, 2015

wammers said:
No not everything but a lot more than most on these subjects. Have a look at what i have already suggested. If it's timed correctly the problem has to be in the boost tower or the pump has an internal fail. http://www.dieselbookmarks.com/bombers/VEPump.pdf

its all pointing towards the pump which will go back to who I got it from if it is..
pretty confident its timed correctly,we removed and cleaned fuel lines incase it was that..will check diaphragm didn't venture in there as I was told it was a standard pump and didn't really wanna tweak it as was thinking of a boost pin.

Kwakerman · Jul 25, 2015

What was the problem with the first pump?

wiltshire landyman · Jul 26, 2015

Kwakerman said:
What was the problem with the first pump?

first pump was leaking out the seals so as I was replacing it we did timing belt at the same time

Paul D · Jul 27, 2015

When I replaced the 19J with the 300Tdi engine, I'd also done the timing, new belt, pulleys .. everything absolutely spot on! Same issue, I know it's a different engine, but hear me out. Then TC had a look and between us we reasoned that it _had_ to be a timing problem and indeed it was, but not the pump timing. I'd somehow locked the crank 180 degrees out, so the cam pulley was way out but still able to run, albeit horribly, smokily and noisily with little to no power!

So, we turned the crank about 1/4 turn, loosened the belt and turned the cam pulley 1/2 a turn (or the other way round) ... worked like a charm!!

Actually, I can't recall the exact turns we rotated the crank and cam, but one was twice the other .. the crank needs rotating first so the camshaft is free to rotate.

wiltshire landyman · Jul 27, 2015

hi paul.
we retimed twice and each time it got worse and wouldn't even start.this starts and runs spot on just so underpowerd

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