200 & LT77 to 300 & R380 conversion

Langers · Aug 16, 2012

thought it was mine! said:
When fitted to vehicles with an automatic transmission, power was increased to 122 horsepower to make up for the power losses in the transmission. These engines (designated 23L) had Bosch Electronic Diesel Control systems, where the mechanical injector system was controlled by a fly-by-wire electronic throttle to reduce emissions.[71]

Dunno where that came from, but my engine is definitely a 23L, and definitely has the manual type injection pump. Realised that the EDC (fly by wire) pump looks totally different to the mechanical one haha

drewster · Aug 16, 2012

thought it was mine! said:
When fitted to vehicles with an automatic transmission, power was increased to 122 horsepower to make up for the power losses in the transmission. These engines (designated 23L) had Bosch Electronic Diesel Control systems, where the mechanical injector system was controlled by a fly-by-wire electronic throttle to reduce emissions.[71]

yep read that on wikapedea but sure i was toled that my 23l def was a 122 and not 111 as you would expect

Langers · Aug 16, 2012

drewster said:
yep read that on wikapedea but sure i was toled that my 23l def was a 122 and not 111 as you would expect

Does the injection pump look like THIS or THIS?

If first one, 122bhp with EDC, if second one, 111bhp with no EDC.

thought it was mine! · Aug 16, 2012

yeah just copied it thought might help but you no these landys nothing straight forward. Sometime it was like they used what ever was in reach when they built them

thought it was mine! · Aug 16, 2012

i haven't got a clue but would be hoping second one at those prices

jamesmartin · Aug 16, 2012

only edc have extra power ,plus you cant allways go by the number ,there must be thousands of knicked renumbered engines out there

drewster · Aug 16, 2012

Langers said:
Does the injection pump look like THIS or THIS?

If first one, 122bhp with EDC, if second one, 111bhp with no EDC.

thankfully it looks like no2 ie 111 ant the £900 quid version lol

The Mad Hat Man · Aug 16, 2012

dont the disco injuns have a bit more power than the defender ones, on paper?

drewster · Aug 16, 2012

jamesmartin said:
only edc have extra power ,plus you cant allways go by the number ,there must be thousands of knicked renumbered engines out there

at least i know mine is straight as i got it checked over by land rover and had a full report ie service and recalls
ref the refit the only thing i can definatly say is the engine mounts will need to be moved

Langers · Aug 16, 2012

The Mad Hat Man said:
dont the disco injuns have a bit more power than the defender ones, on paper?

IIRC that's only on 200s, 300s are all the same across Defender/Disco/Rangie (with exception of aforementioned EDC bollix)

jamesmartin · Aug 16, 2012

The Mad Hat Man said:
dont the disco injuns have a bit more power than the defender ones, on paper?

your thinking of 200 tdi ,they do

The Mad Hat Man · Aug 16, 2012

i wondered if that was due to turbo position. are the 300 turbos diff or the same?

jamesmartin · Aug 16, 2012

drewster said:
at least i know mine is straight as i got it checked over by land rover and had a full report ie service and recalls
ref the refit the only thing i can definatly say is the engine mounts will need to be moved

numbers were straight its just the engines they stamped number on wasnt ,used see more knicked than straight 10 years ago

jamesmartin · Aug 16, 2012

The Mad Hat Man said:
i wondered if that was due to turbo position. are the 300 turbos diff or the same?

injection pump

Langers · Aug 16, 2012

The Mad Hat Man said:
i wondered if that was due to turbo position. are the 300 turbos diff or the same?

Due to different tuning on the injection pump as opposed to turbo positioning. Turbos are all in the same place on 300s, and are the other way round than a 200 turbo, i.e. exhaust outlet faces towards the front of the engine.

drewster · Aug 16, 2012

jamesmartin said:
numbers were straight its just the engines they stamped number on wasnt ,used see more knicked than straight 10 years ago

strooth than i am a lucky bugger to have a straight cat

jamesmartin · Aug 16, 2012

had a customer in today who reckoned hed had his 300 tdi f redg in the family for years and paid a lot to get it converted when i asked why it was a 300 on early plate and it was 300 in every aspect ,today he told me police had told him it was knicked ,i cant workout whether he was unlucky or knew since the story he had told me before

Langers · Aug 16, 2012

jamesmartin said:
had a customer in today who reckoned hed had his 300 tdi f redg in the family for years and paid a lot to get it converted when i asked why it was a 300 on early plate and it was 300 in every aspect ,today he told me police had told him it was knicked ,i cant workout whether he was unlucky or knew since the story he had told me before

Sounds dodgy, if police have only just told him it's nicked, then surely it's been nicked fairly recently and therefore he can't have had it in his family for years?

jamesmartin · Aug 16, 2012

i been servicing it for a few years ,apparently police found out by duplicate documents showing up ,it was knicked a few years ago they told him

Langers · Aug 20, 2012

Another question...

Are Defender and Discovery 300 Tdi flywheel housings the same?

Mine is slightly damaged (chipped) and I want to replace it before fitting the engine.

... James?

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