bukko said:
Wow! bet that wasn't the only skid mark it caused!
Glad nobody was hurt .
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Today's was worse, as I was rounding a corner, when both rear wheels locked solid.
It was all a bit slippy slidie on the back end for a while. I managed to limp off the road, with the front wheel dragging the stuck rear wheels behind.

It came home on a recovery truck over 3 hours after I set of on a test drive of the new rear brakes, where I only managed to get a quarter of a mile. :mad:
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Looks like the rear diff has gone bye bye.
 
As I said in another thread, that sucks balls John, you're having a really "eventful" start to the ownership of the FL2, and I'm sorry to see you having so much hassle with the new motor :-(
 
Nodge68 said:
Today's was worse, as I was rounding a corner, when both rear wheels locked solid.
It was all a bit slippy slidie on the back end for a while. I managed to limp off the road, with the front wheel dragging the stuck rear wheels behind.

It came home on a recovery truck over 3 hours after I set of on a test drive of the new rear brakes, where I only managed to get a quarter of a mile. :mad:
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Looks like the rear diff has gone bye bye.
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OMG John, I'm sorry to hear that. :eek:
This FL2 has turned into a real money pit on you. :(
 
Hippo said:
@Nodge68
Was there only one skid mark on the road when it happened the first time?
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Yes, but I suspect the LH rear tyre was being forced to rotate backwards last time, possibly due to the RH rear being 2 years newer, so could have more grip.

It was the same yesterday, as it was being loaded onto the lorry bed, the LH tyre was going in reverse, while the RH tyre was hopping and rotating forwards. It was unfortunate that I was rounding a RH bend yesterday, so when the diff (I suspect the pinion has seized) locked the LH wheel was on the outside, which is why I almost lost control. Thankfully I was only doing 30 or so, and there wasn't anything coming the other way, or I'd be making an insurance claim now. :eek:
 
Good to see you got a proper truck this time @Nodge68 :D
That car seems to have a history of its tyres being worn to the limit but possibly unevenly....???
Still, no damage to yourself and that is always good in my book.
:)
 
Beneagles said:
Good to see you got a proper truck this time
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Yes, I used the RAC this time. It must have been the shortest recovery in history, being just 1/3rd of a mile.:eek:

Beneagles said:
That car seems to have a history of its tyres being worn to the limit but possibly unevenly....???
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Apparently that makes on difference, according to the "guru's" on the FL2 forum, but I'm having my doubts.

I'm just hoping it's not going to be too expensive to fix, as I'm loosing faith in this supposedly most reliable LR.:confused:

Beneagles said:
Still, no damage to yourself and that is always good in my book.
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I'm getting used to controlling unintentional rear slides.:D
 
Cheer up mate - the rear brakes needed doing anyway and you said you were going to rebuilt your Diff - it's just much nicer when you call the shots instead of the bloomin' car :p:)
 
dfossil said:
Cheer up mate - the rear brakes needed doing anyway and you said you were going to rebuilt your Diff - it's just much nicer when you call the shots instead of the bloomin' car :p:)
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The brakes did need doing, so that's not an issue.

My concern is that this isn't the first FL2 diff to lock solid in this way.
I've read loads of threads on Freel2 about this locking issue, sometimes happening at motorway speeds, which would be horrendous.:eek:

I'm not convinced I'd be happy to drive it with a ticking time bomb waiting to lock the wheels up, and definitely don't want my kids in the car.

I'm seriously considering getting rid of it, as I need something reliable that's not going to try to kill us though a bad design. :(
 
I think earlier you said that your diff was noisy - perhaps this is a wake-up call for others - it could be a pre-indicator of the danger - after all there are many vehicles out their well into their second hundred thousands - but if it gets noisy - ACT I guess?
 
dfossil said:
I think earlier you said that your diff was noisy - perhaps this is a wake-up call for others
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The diff did have a whine, and I fully expected to need to rebuild it next year. The concern is why it's seized sold. I'm assuming the diff planet gears are doing there thing, as the wheels are going in different directions. So something on the pinion has seized, which is also where the bearings that fail are contained, this preventing the diff carrier from turning.

I can only assume that the rolling elements of the pinion bearing have failed in some way, or maybe the a bearing cage has broken, allowing the rollers to move off axis. If this happens, the bearing will lock up, which would stop the whole diff carrier from turning, giving the issue I now have.

I think it's best to assume that any diff noise is a reason to take swift action, or there is a risk of the same thing happening.
 
Nodge68 said:
The diff did have a whine, and I fully expected to need to rebuild it next year. The concern is why it's seized sold. I'm assuming the diff planet gears are doing there thing, as the wheels are going in different directions. So something on the pinion has seized, which is also where the bearings that fail are contained, this preventing the diff carrier from turning.

I can only assume that the rolling elements of the pinion bearing have failed in some way, or maybe the a bearing cage has broken, allowing the rollers to move off axis. If this happens, the bearing will lock up, which would stop the whole diff carrier from turning, giving the issue I now have.

I think it's best to assume that any diff noise is a reason to take swift action, or there is a risk of the same thing happening.
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Have you confirmed the mileage on it Nodge? Just wondering if it is a higher mileage than claimed.
 
Alibro said:
Have you confirmed the mileage on it Nodge? Just wondering if it is a higher mileage than claimed.
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Mileage is genuine, checked with old MOTs before I bought it, and the mileages stored in vehicle modules all tally up using SDD.

I suspect that although the owners were good at keeping the outside and inside immaculate, they weren't very good at taking care of the mechanical stuff, or at least the garage where it was taken, weren't very good at being honest with the work that was done, if any was done.
It's also had sting of mismatched tyres over the years looking at the MOT history, which probably hasn't helped.
 
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@Nodge68 I'm gutted for you with all the problems this vehicle is giving you, and I understand your concern about the vehicle. It has indeed been something of a problem child, and would appear to be a bad example / unlucky motor. And as such I can understand why you are thinking on getting shot of it, as I see it you've got five options:
  1. Do the diff then preemptively attack other weak-spots giving you a reliable motor for the future, or do the diff and jog it on. What would be next, as in what are the other known potential failures? Haldex unit? PTU? Gearbox oil change? Caliper refurb? :rolleyes:
  2. Whack in a diff and lob it on gumtree / eBay / Autotrader ;)
  3. Sell it as is "for spares or repairs" :(
  4. Break it :mad:
  5. Torch it and claim the insurance :eek:
They are all options, but big decisions, Were I going to jog it on I'd be fitting the cheapest diff I could get my hands on, were I keeping it, I'd rebuild the diff or get onto someone like Bell Engineering. I personally wouldn't consider pursuing options 3, 4 or 5, but I've presented them as things for you to consider. Perhaps you might be served well by doing an assessment of the motor overall, run the oil out the other three transmission components (gearbox, PTU & haldex) and check them out as best you can maybe with an endoscope (£10 ebay USB gadget or I could lend you either or both of mine) and decide if they are ticking timebombs or are they in better condition than the other systems you've been dealing with thus far? That would give you some information on where you stand with the vehicle, and what you've got to work with on it.
 
Jayridium said:
@Nodge68 I'm gutted for you with all the problems this vehicle is giving you, and I understand your concern about the vehicle. It has indeed been something of a problem child, and would appear to be a bad example / unlucky motor. And as such I can understand why you are thinking on getting shot of it, as I see it you've got five options:
  1. Do the diff then preemptively attack other weak-spots giving you a reliable motor for the future, or do the diff and jog it on. What would be next, as in what are the other known potential failures? Haldex unit? PTU? Gearbox oil change? Caliper refurb? :rolleyes:
  2. Whack in a diff and lob it on gumtree / eBay / Autotrader ;)
  3. Sell it as is "for spares or repairs" :(
  4. Break it :mad:
  5. Torch it and claim the insurance :eek:
They are all options, but big decisions, Were I going to jog it on I'd be fitting the cheapest diff I could get my hands on, were I keeping it, I'd rebuild the diff or get onto someone like Bell Engineering. I personally wouldn't consider pursuing options 3, 4 or 5, but I've presented them as things for you to consider. Perhaps you might be served well by doing an assessment of the motor overall, run the oil out the other three transmission components (gearbox, PTU & haldex) and check them out as best you can maybe with an endoscope (£10 ebay USB gadget or I could lend you either or both of mine) and decide if they are ticking timebombs or are they in better condition than the other systems you've been dealing with thus far? That would give you some information on where you stand with the vehicle, and what you've got to work with on it.
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I'm not going to consider doing anything until I've got the diff out for a look.
I'm going to be changing the Haldex fluid / filters and cleaning it out anyway, so servicing that at the same time it's out makes sense.

My concern is it locking up again. Sure it could be a one off (well two off:eek:) , but if I'd checked it more thoroughly, the second incident could have been avoided. :(

However once I've fixed it, it needs to prove to me that it's going to be reliable, or it'll be going, although not by options 3,4 or 5. ;)

It will have all fluids changed, too, but my next concern will be the clutch, as it took a pounding, getting the car off the road.:(
 
During the last two weeks I have changed thermostat, belt tensioners, short belt, free turning pulley, long belt tensioner pulley, intake manifold cleaning, hoses and intercooler, new rings to injectors (I put incorrect o-rings on injectors and return), installed led fog lights, led position lights, changed all vacuum pipes, deep cleaning plastic parts and engine hollow sleeves, battery recharging.
Next challenge change suspension ball joints.
 
I've done nothing to my FL2 for a couple of weeks, other than look at it in disappointment. :mad:
I am planning on getting the diff out this coming week, so I can find out if it's repairable, although I've got to replace the gearbox and clutch, on the daughter's Fiat 500 first. :eek:
 
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