ER1C
Well-Known Member
Do they ? How much less ? I guess the plated weight has to allow for lots of addons.
ER1C
Well-Known Member
That second pic is particularly lethal, no matter what you tow I believe you still need to be concerned on nose weight.. Apparently not with 8 bales north of half way and 1 bale south.I am sure glad we can haul this with a regular drivers license
cooltide
sheep fancier
Don't think they can touch you if the Sankey isn't plated. Think the plating requirements came in post a certain year. Do the tyres have a max load shown?
Coffeelandy
Well-Known Member
One of my Minions just passed his test. He was nearly sick when I showed him the back of my license and he compared it to how little he could use his for. One benefit of being old I suppose.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Plated weight doesn't allow for anything, it is simply a maximum weight for trailer and load.
My 3500kg flatbed weighs 925 kg empty, but it would weigh much more with sides and ramps. That weight just gets deducted off the payload when fully loaded.
Total weight of trailer must be under 3500kg, and the trailer is always considered as fully loaded for tow rating.
both loads are proper for the truck and trailer. There is no concern with nose weight
ER1C
Well-Known Member
errr you have no idea on the weight... nose weight is always a concern.
that trailer is a goose neck trailer, the hitch point is 3'' in front of the rear axle of the truck, so it also transfers the weight to the front axle for a even weight distribution. that truck is rated for 7000-8000 lbs in the bed. that trailer and load is probably approx 30,000 lbs carried on 4 axles and 12 tyres(truck &Trailer)which all have brakes on them. The trailer would have a electric over hydraulic brake system actuated from the tow vehicle. Step on the truck brakes and the trailer are working also.
ER1C
Well-Known Member
No... it isn't... if you read my post.... its regarding the red SUV which is a normal hitch from the looks of it.
cooltide
sheep fancier
I thought that too but it's rear suspension tells a different story
that is a red pickup not a suv
Bobsticle
De Villes Advocaat
You made me have a look at mine now.
Not a clue what it all means
especially the fklnpq
All I know is when I get in my 60 foot bendy bus Piccadilly Gardens better watch out.
MAM of trailer must not exceed MAM of tow vehicle, or its rated towing capacity.
Trailers of >750kg MAM must be braked. Overrun brakes max out at 3500kg. Brakes must operate on all road wheels.
Combined MAM of vehicle and trailer must not exceed 3500kg, except where the trailer is <750kg MAM unbraked, in which case the combined MAMs must not exceed 4250kg.
A-frames/tow dollies are not legal under almost all circumstances. They are classed as trailers, with the same MAM as the vehicle being towed, and as such almost always need to be braked, on all wheels. The AA etc get away with this as there is a "to a place of safety" exemption for recovery work.
This means many of those large 4x4s with a large caravan and younger family may well be breaking the law. eg my disco 300tdi could only tow a braked trailer of 780kg unless the driver has +E
On the subject of Sankeys, the military designation has two types, 1/2 ton & 3/4 ton. This would the be permissable design payload for each variant. So the 3/4 (762kg) ton version definitely not allowed without a +E on larger vehicles, the 1/2 ton (509kg) it would depend on the unladen weight, it would have to be less than 241kg unladen. (Being old army, thats old tons, not new 1000kg tonnes. Off to the weighbridge with empty sankeys then everyone
Trailers of >750kg MAM must be braked. Overrun brakes max out at 3500kg. Brakes must operate on all road wheels.
Combined MAM of vehicle and trailer must not exceed 3500kg, except where the trailer is <750kg MAM unbraked, in which case the combined MAMs must not exceed 4250kg.
A-frames/tow dollies are not legal under almost all circumstances. They are classed as trailers, with the same MAM as the vehicle being towed, and as such almost always need to be braked, on all wheels. The AA etc get away with this as there is a "to a place of safety" exemption for recovery work.
This means many of those large 4x4s with a large caravan and younger family may well be breaking the law. eg my disco 300tdi could only tow a braked trailer of 780kg unless the driver has +E
On the subject of Sankeys, the military designation has two types, 1/2 ton & 3/4 ton. This would the be permissable design payload for each variant. So the 3/4 (762kg) ton version definitely not allowed without a +E on larger vehicles, the 1/2 ton (509kg) it would depend on the unladen weight, it would have to be less than 241kg unladen. (Being old army, thats old tons, not new 1000kg tonnes. Off to the weighbridge with empty sankeys then everyone
Pillar
Well-Known Member
I am C+E which automatically gave me B+E
Last week I towed a 109 SIII on a flatbed from Warminster to Loughborough using my 2.2 tdci 90.
The maximum weight overrun braked trailer I could tow is 3500kg. The load total was probably in the region of 2500kg. It was 'not for the fainthearted!' the engine was working bloody hard, and the whole package didn't feel massively stable! I certainly wouldn't want to tow any more!
Last week I towed a 109 SIII on a flatbed from Warminster to Loughborough using my 2.2 tdci 90.
The maximum weight overrun braked trailer I could tow is 3500kg. The load total was probably in the region of 2500kg. It was 'not for the fainthearted!' the engine was working bloody hard, and the whole package didn't feel massively stable! I certainly wouldn't want to tow any more!
cooltide
sheep fancier
11.22pm on a Saturday night might not be the best time to lay down the lawMAM of trailer must not exceed MAM of tow vehicle, or its rated towing capacity.
Trailers of >750kg MAM must be braked. Overrun brakes max out at 3500kg. Brakes must operate on all road wheels.
Combined MAM of vehicle and trailer must not exceed 3500kg, except where the trailer is <750kg MAM unbraked, in which case the combined MAMs must not exceed 4250kg.
A-frames/tow dollies are not legal under almost all circumstances. They are classed as trailers, with the same MAM as the vehicle being towed, and as such almost always need to be braked, on all wheels. The AA etc get away with this as there is a "to a place of safety" exemption for recovery work.
This means many of those large 4x4s with a large caravan and younger family may well be breaking the law. eg my disco 300tdi could only tow a braked trailer of 780kg unless the driver has +E
On the subject of Sankeys, the military designation has two types, 1/2 ton & 3/4 ton. This would the be permissable design payload for each variant. So the 3/4 (762kg) ton version definitely not allowed without a +E on larger vehicles, the 1/2 ton (509kg) it would depend on the unladen weight, it would have to be less than 241kg unladen. (Being old army, thats old tons, not new 1000kg tonnes. Off to the weighbridge with empty sankeys then everyone
Turboman
Mab An Gov
cooltide
sheep fancier
Saw a van (iveco or Mercedes sprinter) towing Heston's of straw through Barnard castle on a trailer like yours the other day. They were three high and iirc 3 wide? (they were overhanging the sides). So that would be 18 bales @ 3 wide. What do you reckon, 1/3 tonne per bale?Keep practising, you will get used to it after a while!
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Might be there or thereabouts, I haven't moved on to Hesstons yet, I find them hard to handle, I only have single spikes.
We do big round straw, they are only about 200kg apiece, those silage bales are over 700kg each.
Here is a trailer of straw waiting to be unloaded.
