So, if your landy is lighter than the manufacturer says it is, cos they are, how do you prove this?
Also, Sankeys arnt plated, how do you prove their weight?
Do they ? How much less ? I guess the plated weight has to allow for lots of addons.
 
I am sure glad we can haul this with a regular drivers license
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That second pic is particularly lethal, no matter what you tow I believe you still need to be concerned on nose weight.. Apparently not with 8 bales north of half way and 1 bale south.
 
Quite a bit from memory.
Ive put a soft top on mine which should knock a few kg's off that as well.
I want to tow a Sankey you see but want to do it properly.
 
Quite a bit from memory.
Ive put a soft top on mine which should knock a few kg's off that as well.
I want to tow a Sankey you see but want to do it properly.
Don't think they can touch you if the Sankey isn't plated. Think the plating requirements came in post a certain year. Do the tyres have a max load shown?
 
Do they ? How much less ? I guess the plated weight has to allow for lots of addons.

Plated weight doesn't allow for anything, it is simply a maximum weight for trailer and load.

My 3500kg flatbed weighs 925 kg empty, but it would weigh much more with sides and ramps. That weight just gets deducted off the payload when fully loaded.

Total weight of trailer must be under 3500kg, and the trailer is always considered as fully loaded for tow rating.
 
That second pic is particularly lethal, no matter what you tow I believe you still need to be concerned on nose weight.. Apparently not with 8 bales north of half way and 1 bale south.
both loads are proper for the truck and trailer. There is no concern with nose weight
 
errr you have no idea on the weight... nose weight is always a concern.
that trailer is a goose neck trailer, the hitch point is 3'' in front of the rear axle of the truck, so it also transfers the weight to the front axle for a even weight distribution. that truck is rated for 7000-8000 lbs in the bed. that trailer and load is probably approx 30,000 lbs carried on 4 axles and 12 tyres(truck &Trailer)which all have brakes on them. The trailer would have a electric over hydraulic brake system actuated from the tow vehicle. Step on the truck brakes and the trailer are working also.
 
that trailer is a goose neck trailer, the hitch point is 3'' in front of the rear axle of the truck, so it also transfers the weight to the front axle for a even weight distribution. that truck is rated for 7000-8000 lbs in the bed. that trailer and load is probably approx 30,000 lbs carried on 4 axles and 12 tyres(truck &Trailer)which all have brakes on them. The trailer would have a electric over hydraulic brake system actuated from the tow vehicle. Step on the truck brakes and the trailer are working also.
No... it isn't... if you read my post.... its regarding the red SUV which is a normal hitch from the looks of it.
 
One of my Minions just passed his test. He was nearly sick when I showed him the back of my license and he compared it to how little he could use his for. One benefit of being old I suppose.
You made me have a look at mine now. :rolleyes:
Not a clue what it all means :oops:

especially the fklnpq :confused:

All I know is when I get in my 60 foot bendy bus Piccadilly Gardens better watch out. :D
 
MAM of trailer must not exceed MAM of tow vehicle, or its rated towing capacity.

Trailers of >750kg MAM must be braked. Overrun brakes max out at 3500kg. Brakes must operate on all road wheels.

Combined MAM of vehicle and trailer must not exceed 3500kg, except where the trailer is <750kg MAM unbraked, in which case the combined MAMs must not exceed 4250kg.

A-frames/tow dollies are not legal under almost all circumstances. They are classed as trailers, with the same MAM as the vehicle being towed, and as such almost always need to be braked, on all wheels. The AA etc get away with this as there is a "to a place of safety" exemption for recovery work.

This means many of those large 4x4s with a large caravan and younger family may well be breaking the law. eg my disco 300tdi could only tow a braked trailer of 780kg unless the driver has +E

On the subject of Sankeys, the military designation has two types, 1/2 ton & 3/4 ton. This would the be permissable design payload for each variant. So the 3/4 (762kg) ton version definitely not allowed without a +E on larger vehicles, the 1/2 ton (509kg) it would depend on the unladen weight, it would have to be less than 241kg unladen. (Being old army, thats old tons, not new 1000kg tonnes. Off to the weighbridge with empty sankeys then everyone :)
 
I am C+E which automatically gave me B+E

Last week I towed a 109 SIII on a flatbed from Warminster to Loughborough using my 2.2 tdci 90.

The maximum weight overrun braked trailer I could tow is 3500kg. The load total was probably in the region of 2500kg. It was 'not for the fainthearted!' the engine was working bloody hard, and the whole package didn't feel massively stable! I certainly wouldn't want to tow any more!
 
MAM of trailer must not exceed MAM of tow vehicle, or its rated towing capacity.

Trailers of >750kg MAM must be braked. Overrun brakes max out at 3500kg. Brakes must operate on all road wheels.

Combined MAM of vehicle and trailer must not exceed 3500kg, except where the trailer is <750kg MAM unbraked, in which case the combined MAMs must not exceed 4250kg.

A-frames/tow dollies are not legal under almost all circumstances. They are classed as trailers, with the same MAM as the vehicle being towed, and as such almost always need to be braked, on all wheels. The AA etc get away with this as there is a "to a place of safety" exemption for recovery work.

This means many of those large 4x4s with a large caravan and younger family may well be breaking the law. eg my disco 300tdi could only tow a braked trailer of 780kg unless the driver has +E

On the subject of Sankeys, the military designation has two types, 1/2 ton & 3/4 ton. This would the be permissable design payload for each variant. So the 3/4 (762kg) ton version definitely not allowed without a +E on larger vehicles, the 1/2 ton (509kg) it would depend on the unladen weight, it would have to be less than 241kg unladen. (Being old army, thats old tons, not new 1000kg tonnes. Off to the weighbridge with empty sankeys then everyone :)
11.22pm on a Saturday night might not be the best time to lay down the law ;)
 
I am C+E which automatically gave me B+E

Last week I towed a 109 SIII on a flatbed from Warminster to Loughborough using my 2.2 tdci 90.

The maximum weight overrun braked trailer I could tow is 3500kg. The load total was probably in the region of 2500kg. It was 'not for the fainthearted!' the engine was working bloody hard, and the whole package didn't feel massively stable! I certainly wouldn't want to tow any more!

Keep practising, you will get used to it after a while! :)

 
Keep practising, you will get used to it after a while! :)

Saw a van (iveco or Mercedes sprinter) towing Heston's of straw through Barnard castle on a trailer like yours the other day. They were three high and iirc 3 wide? (they were overhanging the sides). So that would be 18 bales @ 3 wide. What do you reckon, 1/3 tonne per bale?
 
Saw a van (iveco or Mercedes sprinter) towing Heston's of straw through Barnard castle on a trailer like yours the other day. They were three high and iirc 3 wide? (they were overhanging the sides). So that would be 18 bales @ 3 wide. What do you reckon, 1/3 tonne per bale?

Might be there or thereabouts, I haven't moved on to Hesstons yet, I find them hard to handle, I only have single spikes.
We do big round straw, they are only about 200kg apiece, those silage bales are over 700kg each.
Here is a trailer of straw waiting to be unloaded.

 

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