jai_landrover said:
Oh I'm missing somones ass spanking Oh its mine well......... I know its about freelanders and the OP clearly isn't taking the hints that may save him a life of pain so I'll keep it brief and to the point.

Just to cover what Disco2shaun has said.

Any monkey or 10 year old can undo bolts and replace parts. Defender is just this there really isnt many bolts to remove the bodywork. Simple! Bodyshelled vehicles require a complete shell swap everything (If you can get one) or a skillful welder which puts people off that are not welders and this is one of the main reasons defenders hold their value opposed to a Disco.

Std Vehicle VS Standard vehicle ther is no comparison between discovery 1 2 3 or later vs a defender for offroad. Discos exceed on road far better than defenders because they are more suited. Anyone that believes that their disco or any disco in std format VS a Defender Std format is living in a false world sometimes it comes down to physics. The standard tyre fitment on a defender is better greater a disco or RR Classic Std format which helps dependant on model 90 or 110 depends on what goodies you get Std. 90 well it will **** over a disco because of its size and overhangs or lack of. A 110 you get HD rear shafts and its built to carry weight (its built strong far greater than a disco).

Anyway back to Freelanders OP you have been warned they can be a nightmare they might be ok if your lucky or find a goodun. (Hell I'm even considering one for the Mrs as her next car) But they are not a defenders nor discos by any means.
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you really dont know what ur talking about. how many old 90s do you know of that come standard with 235/85/16 tyres?? they come standard with 205/16s on white biscuit wheels ffs. discos come with 235/70/16s which gives more clearance on the axles!
 
they also come with 24 spline axles compared to the 10 spline on older 90s. yes the approach angles on a 90 are far better, but if you dont give a **** about ya disco ya can rag **** out ya towbar and rear end. discos have standard fitted 200tdi engines, 90s come with allsorts of engine, all gutless apart from tdi's and v8s. it depends on what year and engine are fitted to the 90 coz a 2.5 petrol hasnt got a chance getting where a 200tdi disco can get thats physics! (power, bhp, torque). also can a 10 year old work oxy accetiline to undo all the rusty bolts that hold a defenders "body" on? seriously if ur gunna bitch have the facts
 
the main reason defenders are worth so much is not due to them being "solid" reliable off road monsters coz there not. its because there 1 of the most desired 4x4 and there is a huge market for them. unlike panda 4x4s which are worthless. my opinion after owning 5 defenders are there a money pit, doors are now around £200 each for a half decent 1. thats £600 for 3 doors, unless u can change bulkhead ya self ya looking at £1000 labour charges. yes disco 1s cills go and boot floor but cills are like £20 each and if ur dab handed wi a welder ur sorted. inner wings arnt a testable area for an m.o.t but just cut the **** metal out and replace, cheaper than replacing a bulkhead
 
disco2shaun said:
you really dont know what ur talking about. how many old 90s do you know of that come standard with 235/85/16 tyres?? they come standard with 205/16s on white biscuit wheels ffs. discos come with 235/70/16s which gives more clearance on the axles!
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tripped yasel up there mate, 205/16 and 235/70 are both around 29" diameter giving the same clearance although a lot of defenders came with 7.50r16 which was around 32" (now replaced by 235/85). The main difference is a defender can accomodate 235/85 or 265/75 tyres as standard with no arch mods/lifts etc.

disco2shaun said:
they also come with 24 spline axles compared to the 10 spline on older 90s. yes the approach angles on a 90 are far better, but if you dont give a **** about ya disco ya can rag **** out ya towbar and rear end. discos have standard fitted 200tdi engines, 90s come with allsorts of engine, all gutless apart from tdi's and v8s. it depends on what year and engine are fitted to the 90 coz a 2.5 petrol hasnt got a chance getting where a 200tdi disco can get thats physics! (power, bhp, torque). also can a 10 year old work oxy accetiline to undo all the rusty bolts that hold a defenders "body" on? seriously if ur gunna bitch have the facts
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Instead of ragging ya disco ya could use a defender for the same job with less risk of damage though which proves jai's point :confused:

the engines you talk about are from vehicles built before the disco arrived so its not really a comparison is it? when the 200tdi was released it was used in the 90, 110, disco & rrc. Fair enough there were a few 1989/90 90s & 110s that were still sold with the TD lump but guessing this was just excess stock from LR.

And 200tdi discos were supplied with 10 spline axles too, it was the 300tdi that got 24 spline which was the same for defenders i believe :)
 
It all comes down to budget, level of comfort, agility off road, what will the primary use of the vehicle be? In the late 60's I had a series 1 LR, would go anywhere, thought it was the best vehicle on the road :) in the long term it did some serious damage to my spine, I wouldn't have one as a gift now. Nowadays I need a certain level of comfort, space for dogs, but also agility to tackle a steep farm track in the winter, so I have a Disco 2.

No doubt the OP has done a certain amount of research and the Freelander suits his lifestyle (didnt suit me because the dog cage wouldn't fit in the back). So its not really about whats the best Land Rover, but the merits of the Freelander.

Nigel.
 
If you're going from a scoob to a landrover, you'd REALLY be dissapointed with a Defender or Disco.

Bobbler mentions the freelander wallows into corners. Not that much and i did say 'albeit a taller version'. I've driven both scooby and my freelander, in terms of traction etc, they handle pretty similarly and the freelander isn't bad at handling at all.

Before you write off the 1.8 completely, go into the freelander section and see how many threads are on the front page about faults with td4's at the moment. The K series is a nice, cheap and easy engine to work on. I've not had mine on a rolling road but i figure she's putting out somewhere around 145/150bhp with mods.

I'd say the 1.8k's probably handle better than the TD4's as they're a lighter engine up front.

I realise i'm going to get flamed so much for this, but it's my opinion.
 
bobbler said:
tripped yasel up there mate, 205/16 and 235/70 are both around 29" diameter giving the same clearance although a lot of defenders came with 7.50r16 which was around 32" (now replaced by 235/85). The main difference is a defender can accomodate 235/85 or 265/75 tyres as standard with no arch mods/lifts etc.
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yep ruts will see std discos and rrc getting stuck
 
freebiker said:
If you're going from a scoob to a landrover, you'd REALLY be dissapointed with a Defender or Disco.

Bobbler mentions the freelander wallows into corners. Not that much and i did say 'albeit a taller version'. I've driven both scooby and my freelander, in terms of traction etc, they handle pretty similarly and the freelander isn't bad at handling at all.
Before you write off the 1.8 completely, go into the freelander section and see how many threads are on the front page about faults with td4's at the moment. The K series is a nice, cheap and easy engine to work on. I've not had mine on a rolling road but i figure she's putting out somewhere around 145/150bhp with mods.

I'd say the 1.8k's probably handle better than the TD4's as they're a lighter engine up front.

I realise i'm going to get flamed so much for this, but it's my opinion.
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there is no similarity to handling, a scoob tends to be firm and holds the road and a gaylander (or at least the ones i have been in including the gaylander 2) will wallow around corners due to the increased centre of gravity and softer suspension. Im not going to comment on traction, try going round a tight corner at speed in both and I bet the brown trouser moment comes far quicker in the fl.

The K Series is the worst engine LR have ever put into a car. Not going to look good if the op takes your advice buys a 1.8 and a week later is back on here saying he has HGF is it?

Bottom line is if you buy a gaylander, look for a diesel. they are stronger and your never going to find a fast one whatever the engine.

The fl is a better road car than the disco/def but none of them will be fast (unless you look at the later RR/RR sport) and If the OP wants a fast 4x4 he should buy an audi/scoob.... but he already has one of those ;)
 
bobbler said:
there is no similarity to handling, a scoob tends to be firm and holds the road and a gaylander (or at least the ones i have been in including the gaylander 2) will wallow around corners due to the increased centre of gravity and softer suspension. Im not going to comment on traction, try going round a tight corner at speed in both and I bet the brown trouser moment comes far quicker in the fl.

The K Series is the worst engine LR have ever put into a car. Not going to look good if the op takes your advice buys a 1.8 and a week later is back on here saying he has HGF is it?

Bottom line is if you buy a gaylander, look for a diesel. they are stronger and your never going to find a fast one whatever the engine.

The fl is a better road car than the disco/def but none of them will be fast (unless you look at the later RR/RR sport) and If the OP wants a fast 4x4 he should buy an audi/scoob.... but he already has one of those ;)
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The brown trouser moment comes a lot quicker in a scoob, because you're already going a lot faster in it in the first place.
 
freebiker said:
The brown trouser moment comes a lot quicker in a scoob, because you're already going a lot faster in it in the first place.
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My point exactly you can corner a lot faster in a scoob before the brown trouser moment so the handling can't be the same can it :doh:
 
I think in the scooby, depending on the speed, you wouldnt even get the brown trouser moment!

2 completly different vehicles!!!
same thing with bikes.... take a harley (known for their cornering being ****e)... if I do a certain bend on that at 80, i will be ****ting my pants...if I do the same bend at 100 on my fireblade its a completly different story, dont even need to think its a bend, just need to look at the exit point.
 
please dont do that might as well try to platt water thats less stressfull and costly heheeeee GET A DEFENDER BE A MAN :D
 
After pretty much having a scoob available to drive on a weekly basis only about six months ago (pic related, 380bhp scoob in background behind my freelander), i've driven one enough times to know very well how they handle, and they behave in quite a similar manner to freelanders.

I'd actually go as far to say that corners i've driven in the scoob, i'd feel more confident in my freelander. At times when the scoob has stepped out, my freelander on the same corner at the same speed has actually not stepped out.

It's well known the freelander 1 was used as course trial cars by Rally Drivers and the freelander itself is used in various races and performs very well.

Anyone who has seen a scoob crashed compared to a freelander crashed would sooner have a brown trouser moment in a scoob. The shell itself is nowhere near as robust as the freelander, even though the freelander is not all that heavier for the size of the car (only about 300kg difference between a stripped out FL and a WRX scoob). You're more likely to walk from a rolled freelander than you are a rolled scoob.
 

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You do know that 'pajero' means ****er in spanish? True too..

And that gaylander was put there on purpose..the owner is standing on the beach, thats him with the big smile.
 
buckshot said:
the question shirley is would any of us want to get it out :rolleyes:
i thought pajero was knobjockey in arabic :D
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No, thats Muhammed..oh yeah, bring that jihad over here..see how far you get when i tazar your ass, flippy floppy flip flopper.
 
I will say no more about defenders RRC and Discos other than Dazz you clearly know far more than I.

I have been competing in LR's since I was 14 marshalling and helping out since I could walk and helping to prep rebuild race and Trial offroad vehicles for since I could hold a spanner in a fully prepared workshop. I'm not a mechanic and would never claim to be unlike others on forums however I rate myself on my own experience. My experience tells me that that I think If you genuinly believe you can take a std factory disco where a std factory fitment 90 I believe your talking from your anus. Sorry. I'm not arguing the fact because its not the place and it will in no way help the OP.

OP drive a freelander drive a disco and a defender You will like the way the freelander drives/handles best and it would be great if it didn't go wrong unfortunatly they do often. Its keeping on top of it and the cost that is the issue.
 
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