I did.
I think the general consensus is that it will need either a 4wd tractor or a concerted multi vehicle attempt.
My personal opinion is for the former. I think we should wait for the OP to see if he can obtain a tractor, before any move by us or FB.
Please DO NOT attempt to be a hero. It is a dangerous area, as described by those that have been and assessed the problem.
So we have an injury, 2 potentially dangerously stuck but recovered rescue vehicles and the original vehicle still in situ requiring a heavier method of recovery. The OP only joined to get recovered and asked for help on FB. Is it time to reconsider how we go about this? The location of this vehicle also begs a few questions.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Looks like a pretty silly place for someone inexperienced to go alone in an SUV. And possibly not on a legal ROW.
Even a local can be caught out by weather changes over a few days .... one of the reasons we say don't go alone .... even a twisted ankle can be life threatening in bad weather on your own ...
I thought he said he had permission to be on the track from the land owner ...
Turboman
Mab An Gov
That is a dodgy place. Very slippery on the ridge, wet grass over rocks. If I needed to go up there, I would be very slow, L2, and if needed put a spotter out at the thin bits of the ridge, make sure a wheel didn't go off the track. And I would have tyres with decent tread, those look like road tyres.
You could be right about the permission. I would wonder if the landowner goes there very much himself!
That is a slight exaggeration.
The injury is, I understand, an old one that was exacerbated by the attempted rescue.
The first rule of any rescue is NEVER put yourself in danger. We weren’t there, so cannot condemn.
Yes - the op joined to get recovered, but that is not unusual. I would say he came to the best place
.I asked for help on FB, not him.
The place in Q is not a ROW, but B.B. was assured he had permission; the police were informed and have chatted with the OP.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Latest update is that the OP has spoken to the owner, who has sad that land owner opposite has a Excavator.
I am suggesting no further action be taken unless the OP specifically asks again, and a task force of at least 6 go. All with winches and other appropriate gear, including survival clothing.
I am suggesting no further action be taken unless the OP specifically asks again, and a task force of at least 6 go. All with winches and other appropriate gear, including survival clothing.
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jamesmartin
Well-Known Member
the problem is once youve invested time getting there and any action is public ,most will try and often take greater risks, theres mountain rescue for stranded indivduals ,and with a job like that a stuck car in a precarious position local farmers or professionalsThat is a slight exaggeration.
The injury is, I understand, an old one that was exacerbated by the attempted rescue.
The first rule of any rescue is NEVER put yourself in danger. We weren’t there, so cannot condemn.
Yes - the op joined to get recovered, but that is not unusual. I would say he came to the best place
I asked for help on FB, not him.
The place in Q is not a ROW, but B.B. was assured he had permission; the police were informed and have chatted with the OP.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
JCB is probably a good shout. And the driver will be experienced with such things.
Not always possible, but positive suggestions are always welcome.
A lot of our members are professional recovery peeps, or with a lot of experience.
jamesmartin
Well-Known Member
perhaps ,but i dont think suggesting any members get involved in such situations is a good idea,
That is because you have always been against LZIR and never think that anyone else is capable or experienced enough.
As I said before..... helpful suggestions are welcome. Nit picking and point scoring is not.
Individuals are more than capable of making that decision themselves.
allan downes
Well-Known Member
I was there last night a jcb is no good its verry slippy marsh bog and a drop to your rig ht as you try to come up the hill i nearly went over but managed with my mate paul a ground anchor and got up and u then winched the disco up. The guy must have been nuts. Really. Its total foolery. Ive not assesed the damage to my truck as for the tree damage. But it seemed he had a cheap soft roader. And lets have fun. Really puts others at rist. I will nit do this again. I dont fancy writing off a 10 to 15 grand landy for the sake of someone elses foolery.
My bad. It’s an excavator, not a jcb
We understand your position. I hope that you will still consider helping others when safe to do so. Always ensure your safety first.
No not an exaggeration at all. An injury is an injury, regardless of pre-existing conditions. This is a fair and reasonable summary. Permission or not you still got to wonder what they were doing there in that motor. I weren't bothered about the OP, but it starts to become a worry when established memebers off here get into trouble. Is this not a situation where the local farmer should have been contacted in the first place? Seing as its presumably farmland the farmer would be expected to have or know (and did) someone with suitable gear to get them out. This is not a criticism of LZIR, but the system is being abused.That is a slight exaggeration.
The injury is, I understand, an old one that was exacerbated by the attempted rescue.
The first rule of any rescue is NEVER put yourself in danger. We weren’t there, so cannot condemn.
Yes - the op joined to get recovered, but that is not unusual. I would say he came to the best place
I asked for help on FB, not him.
The place in Q is not a ROW, but B.B. was assured he had permission; the police were informed and have chatted with the OP.
Your disappointment in local members not reply is VERY open to criticism, remember no one on this list works here. I'll leave that at that. In summary it appears we are getting the p**s taken out of us with people literally risking a lot to help strangers. Maybe im speaking out of term, I'm delibeately not in the list but did seriously consider the drive (mainly cos I'm bored) but not for the OP, for the LZ members in trouble.
