TheVengefulElephant · Nov 21, 2008

Means what?

This one side of my district map, you should be able to see highlighted all the bridleways and byways (for horseriding you see) infact on this map there are only three legaly drivable byways, one of which is marked on this map as a bridleway (tis a bit old) But there are a LOT of routes marked as Roads used as Public Footpath, whaaa?

Pikey · Nov 21, 2008

check this out Naturenet: Public Rights of Way Definitions)

TheVengefulElephant · Nov 21, 2008

HMm. So I just turn up and if it's been classified as a Footie or bridleway don't go down it! reet?

Pikey · Nov 21, 2008

TheVengefulElephant said:
HMm. So I just turn up and if it's been classified as a Footie or bridleway don't go down it! reet?

Or you could go down to the council and copy the definitive maps, just take an Os map with you and mark all the BOATS, and white roads on the map. if they were rupps and have been made restricted byways or bridle ways they'll be on the definitive map.

si844 · Nov 22, 2008

are all the white roads marked on a OS map driveable then? as they are roads rather than byways

TheVengefulElephant · Nov 22, 2008

def not, we turned up to a few RUPPs yesterday that were white roads "tracks" in the key, which definately weren't driveable

si844 · Nov 23, 2008

so if ya get there and it looks drivable (ie. has tire tracks and no signs saying not to) should it be risked been driven?

theres one near me that even has a road name on the OS, someones put a 3ft mound of soil in front, but apart from that looks like a legal track

Pikey · Nov 23, 2008

no if in doubt ask the council. driving it cos some other numpty has been down there is trhe easiest way to get a section 59 warning. get 2 and they can seize and crush ya vehicle. If it is a legal right of way and it's blocked tell the council and they have a legal obligation to clear th blockage.

Davec · Nov 23, 2008

si844 said:
are all the white roads marked on a OS map driveable then? as they are roads rather than byways

No. A white road on the map means the surveyor found evidence of a road or track on the ground (in my experience there are times he must have had bloody good eyesight) but it is no evidence of its legal status.

si844 · Nov 23, 2008

ok cheers wil give em a miss then

tis an hour drive for me to the nearest known to b legal lane, its wel annoyin

Paul D · Nov 23, 2008

si844 said:
tis an hour drive for me to the nearest known to b legal lane, its wel annoyin

Have a look just inland from Woodvale Airfield, there's a triangle of lanes there, and a few others near Formby. I used to go up there a lot when I raced model cars, and went laning while we were up there. They're, IIRC, not much, but they're something ...

There's also lots of lanes with dotted edges, ie unfenced roads. These can often be good indicators of little traffic, indeed some may as well be green lanes in all but name and would be well worth spending a day (week maybe) and a fuel tank exploring for possibilities.

fenby1976 · Nov 24, 2008

If you can't be bothered going to the council offices have a look at Wayfinder - the national catalogue of Rights of Way The information in there is likely to be correct and there are descriptions of routes that users have provided (such as whether a track is passable).

si844 · Nov 24, 2008

cheers guys

Kris 300TDI · Nov 25, 2008

Hi Red, if you get a section 59 warning is there some kind of time limit for that to stay in force before it no longer counts. Things like that are some times worth knowing.

Pikey · Nov 25, 2008

Kris 300TDI said:
Hi Red, if you get a section 59 warning is there some kind of time limit for that to stay in force before it no longer counts. Things like that are some times worth knowing.

I think it's 2 years, but it may be longer???? Hangon and I'll dredge the PDF up from the bowels of me pooter..

Paul D · Nov 25, 2008

From Glass website ...

"Section 59 Police Reform Act 2002 states that -

Where an officer has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used in a manner which contravenes
Road Traffic Act Section 3 (Careless Driving) OR Section 34 (Driving elsewhere than on a road) AND also the manner of
use of the vehicle is causing or has been causing or is likely to cause, alarm distress or annoyance to members of the
public, Section 59 can be used to:-

initially give a written warning (valid for twelve months)

(commonly called a Section 59 Notice)

and on a subsequent occasion to seize the vehicle.

(it will probably end up in the crusher, or may be ransomed back to the owner)

A constable in uniform has the power to order the person driving to stop the vehicle, to seize and remove the vehicle, to
enter any premises on which the officer has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be and to use
reasonable force. Seizure can made only if a warning has been given, or believed to have been given, or if a warning
is clearly being ignored.

So, usually it's a two-stage process - a warning or notice first, seizure if you persist or repeat."

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