Can't get to the 96 but here is the 2000MY.
defender300tdi's pic was too small to see any detail.
An obvious photoshop job just to prove a point, how can you stoop so low as to prove 300Tdi wrong.
An obvious photoshop job just to prove a point, how can you stoop so low as to prove 300Tdi wrong.
Datatek
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:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughiIf only I could find out how to use photoshopAn obvious photoshop job just to prove a point, how can you stoop so low as to prove 300Tdi wrong.
Right. Not to prove anyone right or wrong but just for info. At great expense i have just been and looked at my early 1999 model. It does NOT have stud holes for the alloy manifold. Just the ones needed for the plastic manifold. Lugs are there but empty, no holes, no threads just lugs. Extract from that info what you will. PS. Why is everything now in cinemascope?
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Datatek
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Cos I forgot to reduce the picture sizeRight. Not to prove anyone right or wrong but just for info. At great expense i have just been and looked at my early 1999 model. It does NOT have stud holes for the alloy manifold. Just the ones needed for the plastic manifold. Lugs are there but empty, no holes, no threads just lugs. Extract from that info what you will. PS. Why is everything now in cinemascope?
It would seem then that it was pot luck as to what came out of the BMW parts bin when the engine were being built, mine is a November 2000 so possibly a MY01
I would guess that as BMW were building engines for at least 3 marques that changes on the production line were not instant and there was some carry over at times.
Cos I forgot to reduce the picture size
It would seem then that it was pot luck as to what came out of the BMW parts bin when the engine were being built, mine is a November 2000 so possibly a MY01
I would guess that as BMW were building engines for at least 3 marques that changes on the production line were not instant and there was some carry over at times.
To me it would make perfect sense to have the heads and/or. Or maybe both of your vehicles have had the head changed. But i am not going there.
Datatek
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I'm sure the head on the 2000 is original, FSH and no serious work on it apart from the EAS, can't be really be sure about the 96 though.To me it would make perfect sense to have the heads and/or. Or maybe both of your vehicles have had the head changed. But i am not going there.
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
Can't get to the 96 but here is the 2000MY.
defender300tdi's pic was too small to see any detail.
Data nice picture and have you owned the car from new ? Who's to say your head has not been changed for the early type redrilled and tapped to suit the plastic manifold , as you have said many a time the heads are know to crack
Datatek
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See post #46Data nice picture and have you owned the car from new ? Who's to say your head has not been changed for the early type redrilled and tapped to suit the plastic manifold , as you have said many a time the heads are know to crack
Two and a bit previous owners, original 3 years, son 6 months, nearly 5 years the guy I bought it from.
Apart from FSH there is no evidence of anything having been touched.
I doubt LR had any control over what BMW shipped them as long as it met the required spec at the time and they would most likely arrived fully kitted out. As BMW were shipping to their own production line in different specs and Opel as well as LR, it would have made sense once the manifold/EGR change was about to be introduced to have had both sets of drilling's, especially as Opel used an alloy manifold with EGR.
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
Don't you think all engines have a number when they decided to change they orderd the factory to change the Cnc drilling machine to change position after say engine number xyb4574 there after start using the new drilling setting drilling and tapping cost money why do it if its not needed
Datatek
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Simply because Opel for example used a different alloy manifold with the EGR at the same time as LR used the plastic one, so both sets of holes were needed from a point in time. Too costly to select which engines go where according to where the manifold holes are drilled.Don't you think all engines have a number when they decided to change they orderd the factory to change the Cnc drilling machine to change position after say engine number xyb4574 there after start using the new drilling setting drilling and tapping cost money why do it if its not needed
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
All I state all alloy manifolds including opal BMW and range rover use the same stud position ! It was only range rove late 1998 that introduced the plastic manifold a simple communication with the factory to change the settings of the batch that are allocated to the range rover and a few minutes changing the settings of the drilling machine is more cost effective than drilling and tapping the one's allocated to the new changes at Landrover, Commonsense prevails.
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
Does it really matter?
Well its you being picky , yes it does as an owner can tell if there car was original as it came out of the factory
I have designed components that will be fitted to either a Rolls, GE, IAE or PW engine which have different mounting characteristics but we always machine the item identically, and the consumer mounts it how they please using whichever mounts suit their application.....
Whilst the unit is the same used on all variants we certainly wouldn't machine one to suit Rolls, one to suit GE etc....that is a waste of tooling setups, so the manufacturer has to work with what they have.....
The same goes for the M51 engine, Opel, BMW, LR all have the same component....BMW are unlikely to machine a bespoke set of parts to suit each manufacturers needs....hence when the change happened to all holes drilled and tapped etc.....they all were drilled and tapped as it would be more costly to do different versions of the same thing regardless of if the CNC machine has to drill 6 more holes....still cheaper then separate batches....
Whilst the unit is the same used on all variants we certainly wouldn't machine one to suit Rolls, one to suit GE etc....that is a waste of tooling setups, so the manufacturer has to work with what they have.....
The same goes for the M51 engine, Opel, BMW, LR all have the same component....BMW are unlikely to machine a bespoke set of parts to suit each manufacturers needs....hence when the change happened to all holes drilled and tapped etc.....they all were drilled and tapped as it would be more costly to do different versions of the same thing regardless of if the CNC machine has to drill 6 more holes....still cheaper then separate batches....
Well its you being picky , yes it does as an owner can tell if there car was original as it came out of the factory
No i am not being picky i said it's not worth arguing about a long time ago. Who gives a **** how many bloody stud holes there are or who put them there.
True, i have noticed women have more holes than can be used simultaneously unless you're a bloody Octopus. But none have ever been deleted.
:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughiTrue, i have noticed women have more holes than can be used simultaneously unless you're a bloody Octopus. But none have ever been deleted.
welshsteve
Member
Hi Guys,
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but after three weeks of ownership my 2000 model diesel snapped a conrod on the motorway and basically punched a fair hole in the block.
I have been looking around for a tidy engine to replace it with and have found what appears to be a nice unit local to me out of a Vauxhall Omega, this has an alloy inlet and an egr, mine is the plastic inlet version, I think the engines should swap ok but am I going to need to swap fuel pumps or similar to make it work?
Any advice on this?
Cheers
Steve.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but after three weeks of ownership my 2000 model diesel snapped a conrod on the motorway and basically punched a fair hole in the block.
I have been looking around for a tidy engine to replace it with and have found what appears to be a nice unit local to me out of a Vauxhall Omega, this has an alloy inlet and an egr, mine is the plastic inlet version, I think the engines should swap ok but am I going to need to swap fuel pumps or similar to make it work?
Any advice on this?
Cheers
Steve.
Some Omega pumps will straight swap some won't. Check that the pump on the Omega has exactly the same part number as the one on your P38. If not just change the pump over. You will need to change the sump over and a few other bits. Studs for plastic manifold are different for a start.
Datatek
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You can get away with just swapping the electronic bits on the top of the FIP. there are threads that cover doing this.
Inlet manifold can be left, block the EGR.
