private penguin said:
So you're saying that my paramedic friends who work ridiculously long shifts, usually overrunning at the end, should spend even longer away from how so that people can pootle along at the speed they want?
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Yes, absolutely.

Its a free country, I won't be dictated to about how fast I have to drive because of someone else's career choice.

I'll drive within the legal limits, 50-55 on the motorway, 40-50 on b roads, its a fender ffs, mines in A1 mechanical condition, but they just DON'T feel wonderful at much over these speeds.
 
Gottschalk said:
Yes, absolutely.

Its a free country, I won't be dictated to about how fast I have to drive because of someone else's career choice.

I'll drive within the legal limits, 50-55 on the motorway, 40-50 on b roads, its a fender ffs, mines in A1 mechanical condition, but they just DON'T feel wonderful at much over these speeds.
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Mine feels best at just a shade over 60mph, it seems to just settle into a groove, I could drive it at that speed all day. Overtaking up to 70 is fine for short periods but a bit noisy for long term. Much over 70 it starts to feel a bit unstable steering wise and seems to catch the wind more
 
flat said:
Mine feels best at just a shade over 60mph, it seems to just settle into a groove, I could drive it at that speed all day. Overtaking up to 70 is fine for short periods but a bit noisy for long term. Much over 70 it starts to feel a bit unstable steering wise and seems to catch the wind more
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That's absolutely fair, and with our kind of vehicles it mostly comes down to how much noise the individual driver can bear, mine seems quietest, and most relaxed around 52ish , it can easily pull up and over 70 (remaped td5), but its pretty horrific in regards to cabin noise, and very tiring for extended amounts of time.

Mines ny everydayer, so I ave to drive it as comfortably as I can, otherwise id get ****ed off with it a prolly feck it off!! :)
 
The filth can keep their conk out.
He obviously had sod all better to do and decided to lecture someone. I was very likely driving professionally before he had pubes the wazzock.
I wonder how many dicks in mondeos flew past at 90 while he was making himself sound important.

If you are stopped again repeat without pausing to let him spout crap;

Am I being arrested, are you arresting me, if not why am I being held, are you holding me, Your job is not to lecture it is to uphold the law, are you arresting me, am I under arrest, I do not want to listen to your opinion, have I broken the law, was I breaking the law when you stopped me, am I under arrest, are you holding me, why are you putting me in more danger on the hard shoulder than when I was travelling at 50mph. I am doing less speed now and you have put me in more danger, are you arresting me, what specific law was I breaking, I may slow the traffic yes but I may also be killed now at your responsibility. Am I under arrest, Are you arresting me for doing 50 in a 70 zone. Is the limit a target or indeed a top speed allowed. Are you going to arrest me. What charges are you holding me under, what is the minimum speed allowed, are you arresting me, why am I being held against my will. I have no interest in your opinion on safe minimum speeds, are you arresting me, why are you risking my life, your not charged with delivering opinion, please name the specific law I was breaking, your actions are making me fear for my life, it is unsafe for my car to go over 55mph, are you asking me to drive dangerously, would you risk a mobile crane drivers life by asking him to stand here. Am I under arrest.
Then start punching.

Tossers.
 
Turboman said:
Or they thought it was in the wrong area. My friends from Oxfordshire were pulled over in Scotland because a number plate check showed their van was a long way from home.
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I remember getting pulled in the UK on my first ever trip to your land because the cops didn't recognise my number plates and the fact that I was doing 90 on the motorway. :eek: After explaining where I was from, they just told me to be on my way and to slow down a bit!
 
One of the chaps at work was pulled over in a convoy of army land rovers and told them to follow him to the pig station in the next services. He made them all a cup of tea while the 20 mile tailback behind them got going a bit.

Thats a propper rozzer. Not like this w@nker that wanted to feel like he had a cock.
 
Turboman said:
Or they thought it was in the wrong area. My friends from Oxfordshire were pulled over in Scotland because a numberplate check showed their van was a long way from home.
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That happened to me once, many, many moons ago, shortly after the first Severn Bridge opened.
I was parked outside a shop in a village somewhere near Bristol, and in those days, South Wales was almost another planet. Well anyway, the village bobby pulled up on his bike (push, not motor) because he'd noticed that my registration number was a Cardiff registration and he was wondering what I was doing so far away from home. Must have thought I was "casing the joint".
 
Probably hoping to find a drunk, they've certainly missed a few on the roads over the last few days.
 
Gottschalk said:
Yes, absolutely.

Its a free country, I won't be dictated to about how fast I have to drive because of someone else's career choice.

I'll drive within the legal limits, 50-55 on the motorway, 40-50 on b roads, its a fender ffs, mines in A1 mechanical condition, but they just DON'T feel wonderful at much over these speeds.
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I've quite happily driven a TD5 defender at 75mph all the way back from near Plymouth to Bristol. Just have to turn the radio up a bit more.

I'd argue that if a vehicle is incapable of being properly driven at 60mph for whatever reason it shouldnt be on the motorway (i'd also like to see lorries limited to a more sensible 62mph rather than 56 or even 50 in some cases)

Modern cars are capable of being safely driven at much faster speeds - but our speed limits are kept low on the motorways because of people pootling along slowly.

If i dont get stuck behind a muppet - i can get home at the end of the day in 30 minutes flat. If i get stuck behind some idiot who thinks he can't go faster than 30mph along the B roads that time can almost double. Especially if the idiot doesnt even have the consideration to look in his wing mirror, see "there's a car behind me that looks like it would like to go faster", and pull over.

Thankfully not going out on the roads today so wont experience the hoardes of drunk drivers this evening.
 
private penguin said:
I've quite happily driven a TD5 defender at 75mph all the way back from near Plymouth to Bristol. Just have to turn the radio up a bit more.

I'd argue that if a vehicle is incapable of being properly driven at 60mph for whatever reason it shouldnt be on the motorway (i'd also like to see lorries limited to a more sensible 62mph rather than 56 or even 50 in some cases)

Modern cars are capable of being safely driven at much faster speeds - but our speed limits are kept low on the motorways because of people pootling along slowly.

If i dont get stuck behind a muppet - i can get home at the end of the day in 30 minutes flat. If i get stuck behind some idiot who thinks he can't go faster than 30mph along the B roads that time can almost double. Especially if the idiot doesnt even have the consideration to look in his wing mirror, see "there's a car behind me that looks like it would like to go faster", and pull over.

Thankfully not going out on the roads today so wont experience the hoardes of drunk drivers this evening.
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The trouble is, you don't own the road, its for everyone, and on out busy, somewhat overcrowded roads, its far safer to be sat at 50 ish than trying to hurtle a defender at 75 +mph through heavy motorway traffic. I've done both, and know which one I can do everyday.

Did you own said defender? If you are happy to drive one at 75mph for that distance, id say you certainly don't drive it every single day. Mine would be roaring so loudly you wouldn't be able to hear yourself think, let alone be able to keep half an ear to the mechanical side of things. My economy drops drastically (to around 20-21) when driven hard like that on the occasions I have been in a mad, stressed rush, from the usual and acceptable 26-30 mpg. When used every single day, this is significant.

I guess were coming from different mindsets entirely.

As stated before, I don't know ANYONE that drives a defender everyday that would tell me the same as you have, they just aren't geared high enough to be comfortable at that speed for any significant length of time.
 
Gottschalk said:
The trouble is, you don't own the road, its for everyone, and on out busy, somewhat overcrowded roads, its far safer to be sat at 50 ish than trying to hurtle a defender at 75 +mph through heavy motorway traffic. I've done both, and know which one I can do everyday.

Did you own said defender? If you are happy to drive one at 75mph for that distance, id say you certainly don't drive it every single day. Mine would be roaring so loudly you wouldn't be able to hear yourself think, let alone be able to keep half an ear to the mechanical side of things. My economy drops drastically (to around 20-21) when driven hard like that on the occasions I have been in a mad, stressed rush, from the usual and acceptable 26-30 mpg. When used every single day, this is significant.

I guess were coming from different mindsets entirely.

As stated before, I don't know ANYONE that drives a defender everyday that would tell me the same as you have, they just aren't geared high enough to be comfortable at that speed for any significant length of time.
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With you on all of that. I like slow and steady, plenty of braking distance, gentle acceleration to save on fuel, and help the planet. And that is in any vehicle.

Personally I would like to see top speed limiters on all vehicles, instead of increasing the speed of trucks. Maximum legal speed in UK is 70mph. 75mph limiter would reduce accidents massively, and save huge amounts of fuel.
And I would favour concealed speed traps in towns and villages, as in France. They would actually deter speeding, as opposed to speed cameras that are painted yellow, so they catch few.

It has got to be much better to arrive ten minutes later, rather than end up in the paraplegic ward ten minutes faster.
 
No - i didnt own the defender (I did own a 300tdi disco at the time), however I was travelling in convoy with the owner of the defender (he was driving a hire van at the time)

I've since driven many newer (tdci) defenders and those certainly have no issue keeping up with motorway traffic.
Turboman said:
With you on all of that. I like slow and steady, plenty of braking distance, gentle acceleration to save on fuel, and help the planet. And that is in any vehicle.

Personally I would like to see top speed limiters on all vehicles, instead of increasing the speed of trucks. Maximum legal speed in UK is 70mph. 75mph limiter would reduce accidents massively, and save huge amounts of fuel.
And I would favour concealed speed traps in towns and villages, as in France. They would actually deter speeding, as opposed to speed cameras that are painted yellow, so they catch few.

It has got to be much better to arrive ten minutes later, rather than end up in the paraplegic ward ten minutes faster.
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Think it comes down to differences of opinion. I'd much rather see, as vehicles get better, tougher driving tests, better roads, and faster speed limits.

a 75mph speed limiter would be a pain in the backside when travelling to europe - where most motorways have an 80ish speed limit, and in particular germany. I dont think it would save that many lives, compared, for example, to making the driving test harder and getting idiots who can't safely drive at the prevailing speed off the road.

I suspect those that want slower speed limits, speed limiters, etc are those that don't do that many miles, enjoy pootling along slowly, and have all the time in the world. Those of us that lead busy lives and travel long distances would much rather get on with our lives.
 
private penguin said:
No - i didnt own the defender (I did own a 300tdi disco at the time), however I was travelling in convoy with the owner of the defender (he was driving a hire van at the time)

I've since driven many newer (tdci) defenders and those certainly have no issue keeping up with motorway traffic.


Think it comes down to differences of opinion. I'd much rather see, as vehicles get better, tougher driving tests, better roads, and faster speed limits.

a 75mph speed limiter would be a pain in the backside when travelling to europe - where most motorways have an 80ish speed limit, and in particular germany. I dont think it would save that many lives, compared, for example, to making the driving test harder and getting idiots who can't safely drive at the prevailing speed off the road.

I suspect those that want slower speed limits, speed limiters, etc are those that don't do that many miles, enjoy pootling along slowly, and have all the time in the world. Those of us that lead busy lives and travel long distances would much rather get on with our lives.
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I have done 28,00 miles in my mondeo since I bought it in April. Plus a few thousand more in hire cars, and a few more in landrovers. And that is an average annual mileage over the last 25 years for me. :D
Plus the annual mileage that I cover every year in boats, although that is usually calculated in hours. Plus some on planes most years.
I used to drive regularly to Scotland, 735 miles to MILs from Cornwall. Best time for the trip under 12 hours, usual time 14-16 hours, with 2 stops. Varies according to weather and traffic conditions.
First week if next year, I will be straight in with a 1,000 mile return trip to Cornwall, including local mileage while I was there.

Reckon you can keep up, young un ?:p:D

The speed you drive makes little difference on the long haul. A steady 70mph for 10 hours, you will cover 700 miles. I often see Jack the Lad fly past on the motorway at over 100 mph, risking their lives, and burning a lot of fuel. And often, I see them in services 4 hours later, because they couldn't maintain concentration at that speed for long.
And equally often, I am passed by similar on A roads, usually in a suicidal overtaking manouevre. And usually you end up on their bumper at the next roundabout.
They have burned all that fuel to gain 5 metres in actual road distance.:)
 
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private penguin said:
I've quite happily driven a TD5 defender at 75mph all the way back from near Plymouth to Bristol. Just have to turn the radio up a bit more.

I'd argue that if a vehicle is incapable of being properly driven at 60mph for whatever reason it shouldnt be on the motorway (i'd also like to see lorries limited to a more sensible 62mph rather than 56 or even 50 in some cases)

Modern cars are capable of being safely driven at much faster speeds - but our speed limits are kept low on the motorways because of people pootling along slowly.

If i dont get stuck behind a muppet - i can get home at the end of the day in 30 minutes flat. If i get stuck behind some idiot who thinks he can't go faster than 30mph along the B roads that time can almost double. Especially if the idiot doesnt even have the consideration to look in his wing mirror, see "there's a car behind me that looks like it would like to go faster", and pull over.

Thankfully not going out on the roads today so wont experience the hoardes of drunk drivers this evening.
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The first speed limiters thirty years ago were set at 62 mph which was an effort to reduce fuel consumption rather than a legal requirement. Prior to that it was as fast as the truck would go.
I don't think limits should be raised, maybe they should be weight related
 
The top speed on my Defender is limited to howm uch noise I can be bothered putting up with. According to it's handbook the top speed on my other car is electronically limited to 185mph although I have to admit I've never got close to finding out if it's true.
 
anatomick said:
The top speed on my Defender is limited to howm uch noise I can be bothered putting up with. According to it's handbook the top speed on my other car is electronically limited to 185mph although I have to admit I've never got close to finding out if it's true.
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I have had my 90 showing a GPS 82mph, but I had the roof off so the noise was reduced. Bit breezy tho.

Lend us the keys on your other car, we will find out for you....


Cheers
 
I once got the defender up to 85 according to the speedo just to see if I could. After about 15 seconds the risk of seriously spoiling the upholstery proved to great and I'll never do that again!!
 
Turboman said:
I have done 28,00 miles in my mondeo since I bought it in April. Plus a few thousand more in hire cars, and a few more in landrovers. And that is an average annual mileage over the last 25 years for me. :D
Plus the annual mileage that I cover every year in boats, although that is usually calculated in hours. Plus some on planes most years.
I used to drive regularly to Scotland, 735 miles to MILs from Cornwall. Best time for the trip under 12 hours, usual time 14-16 hours, with 2 stops. Varies according to weather and traffic conditions.
First week if next year, I will be straight in with a 1,000 mile return trip to Cornwall, including local mileage while I was there.

Reckon you can keep up, young un ?:p:D

The speed you drive makes little difference on the long haul. A steady 70mph for 10 hours, you will cover 700 miles. I often see Jack the Lad fly past on the motorway at over 100 mph, risking their lives, and burning a lot of fuel. And often, I see them in services 4 hours later, because they couldn't maintain concentration at that speed for long.
And equally often, I am passed by similar on A roads, usually in a suicidal overtaking manouevre. And usually you end up on their bumper at the next roundabout.
They have burned all that fuel to gain 5 metres in actual road distance.:)
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This is it. Speed is the least important factor in getting around the country quickly. 60-65 in my Sprinter gets me around the country dead in line with sat Nav estimates.
 
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