I know, & then "ooooo, mods, mods, lock the thread, some nasty people have an opposing view"! Of course they do. My GLASS membership lapsed after I flogged the Series, was going to renew it in the new year, may as well spend my money on something with a point if you're up against other Landy owners. Kind of thought/hoped that it was idiots who bought other brands who drove like that. I know, I know, niave, but in my general experience that has been the case. Kind of 'proper 4X4 snobbery I guess, but up until now I really hadn't come across an approach THAT stupid, unreasonable, pervasive and deeply ingrained from another Landy owner!