spoke to some guys near me this morning, they have all sorts of off road stuff,,, there are about 6 of them in total and 5 have land rovers, one has a suzuki jimney and even the landrover owners say it will get into places they cant get.. there all looking at buying jimneys because they say there better all round than a landy... :behindsofa:try a slitty v a land rover and your soon find the difference off road