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I couldn't comment as an ex p38 owner
At the last MOT - that he said it passed with no Advisories
Reason(s) for refusal to issue Certificate
Front Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
Nearside Front Front constant velocity joint gaiter insecurely mounted to its housing (2.5.C.1a) STILL LIKE IT
Offside Front Front constant velocity joint gaiter insecurely mounted to its housing (2.5.C.1a) STILL LIKE IT
Advisory Notice issued
Nearside Front Track rod end ball joint has slight play (2.2.B.1f)
Offside Front Power steering pipe(s) or hose(s) has slight seepage from a component (2.3.1b) STILL LIKE IT
Offside Front Anti-roll bar has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.3)
Rear brake pipes corroded STILL LIKE IT (WELL ****ED NOW)
Eng oil leak STILL LIKE IT
N/s/f tyre tread low[2'8mm]
Front brake pads low STILL LIKE IT (HE CHANGED THE REARS)
Reason(s) for refusal to issue Certificate
Front Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
Nearside Front Front constant velocity joint gaiter insecurely mounted to its housing (2.5.C.1a) STILL LIKE IT
Offside Front Front constant velocity joint gaiter insecurely mounted to its housing (2.5.C.1a) STILL LIKE IT
Advisory Notice issued
Nearside Front Track rod end ball joint has slight play (2.2.B.1f)
Offside Front Power steering pipe(s) or hose(s) has slight seepage from a component (2.3.1b) STILL LIKE IT
Offside Front Anti-roll bar has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.3)
Rear brake pipes corroded STILL LIKE IT (WELL ****ED NOW)
Eng oil leak STILL LIKE IT
N/s/f tyre tread low[2'8mm]
Front brake pads low STILL LIKE IT (HE CHANGED THE REARS)
The above proves that the issues were present at the time of sale, as they were present at the time of MOT and still there now.
Also on the same day the MOT was failed, and the list of advisories listed it was then issued with a PASS MOT with no increased mileage and no Advisories??????
Also on the same day the MOT was failed, and the list of advisories listed it was then issued with a PASS MOT with no increased mileage and no Advisories??????
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nathan5346
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Ive had some advisories on a few motas but when the mot cert is issued it says no in the advisory box....so maybe he used that to his advantage
the hooded claw
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Rangiegal has a cracker up fer sale .. at nearly HALF THE PRICE YOU PAID James..
Look in the "For Sale" section OK it aint "Half the price " but its a real cracker LINKY >>>>>>http://www.landyzone.co.uk/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=6192&cat=2
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Make VOSA aware of that. As a matter of fact they should be aware of it already if they have anything about them. After all you got it from their records. Whos idea was that nifty eh?
kooky_guy
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Worth looking at by all accounts - it's been well loved and looked after. Not lpg'd but you can't have everything!
Well it puts you in the driving seat by being able to prove that the faults were there before the MOT was carried out. And obviously still there afterwards. Does not mean the dealer knew about them. BUT if he had it checked over before sale as he says in his bumf then he must have known. There should be one Scottish MOT tester less and a cast iron case against the dealer now. He claimed to have had work done on it, that is either a blatant lie (misrepresentation of goods) or he knew it's condition and knowingly sold a dangerous vehicle, it's one or the other. You have him by the balls in either case.
You're welcome Jay,
I got that website off someone else on here a while back, It's good when you're going to look at a motor to take your lappie with you and you can check the seller isn't bull****ting you about it's history
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jwaldron
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Bloody Hell!!
What a mix bag of emotions. I've just read through all 52 pages with both entertainment (at the banter), disgust (at the dealer), overwhelming sadness (for Jay going through this), and hope (that a good outcome can be salvaged from the situation).
I can't give you any technical advice as I'm simply not knowledgeable enough to do so. But I can offer an insight as to how happy I am to be a P38 owner and your not alone being 'green' when it comes to checking a vehicle over. I completely agree with the supporting statements made regarding 'we've all done it'. This rings true to me with previous vehicles (RR included). Experts even get stung. But the vehicle is so worth it when you get in it. You feel like a king. It a Disco with luxury or a Defender with everyday practicality and Luxury (and room for your arms).
Its only after my own mistakes that I have some (and I do mean a little here) notion of what I'm now looking at. An example in point; Two years ago after reading reviews and the 'what to look out for' posts etc I would be checking for Air con leaks on the foot well centre console carpets, overheating on the 2.5 for water pump or rad issues and checking the havac doesn't have a book sign plus the EAS system operates correctly; now amongst other things, I also have a look at the air bags themselves and look for cracks, from which the pic you presented clearly show. Again - without knowing what a 'good one' looks like, how the hell are you supposed to know what a 'bad en' looks like.
So Jay - don't feel bad or put off. The P38 has its faults but so do ALL vehicles. Just take a ganda at any vehicle dedicated forum and the list is endless. P38's need not be any more expensive to fix than most other vehicles in its class if kept on top of.
I've never had 5K to spend on a vehicle, so I've always had to 'buy problems' (2K was my limit), but I like to think that what I did buy was a known quantity, and therefore a calculated risk. (he says with his P38 in the garage having a fluid change hoping its not a new gearbox job).... but I can't wine too much at it for 2K can I.
I hope that you stick to your guns and end up getting your money back including out of pocket expenses and alternative transport costs due to no use of the car you bought. If nothing else - once all the money issue has been sorted. You now know what a 'Bad en' looks and feels like! I can Guarantee that you will NEVER buy another in that state again will you.
What is the most shocking of all, is that a '**** Hawk' Dealer actually sold this to you.... then has the face to dodge any responsibility or liability!! A straight up dealer would simply cut losses and scrap it or even at worst sell on listing faults!
On a moral note: Once you have your money back, and your all straight - please continue to pass the info onto those that can use it in an attempt to prevent this happening again to the next poor guy that comes behind you. It would be an absolute travesty is the same vehicle was being posted on by another user 6 months down the line wouldn't it. That includes the stinking MOT station.
Not sure how constructive all this is for you - but having read all 500+ posts I have quite strong feelings about it. Chin up lad.
What a mix bag of emotions. I've just read through all 52 pages with both entertainment (at the banter), disgust (at the dealer), overwhelming sadness (for Jay going through this), and hope (that a good outcome can be salvaged from the situation).
I can't give you any technical advice as I'm simply not knowledgeable enough to do so. But I can offer an insight as to how happy I am to be a P38 owner and your not alone being 'green' when it comes to checking a vehicle over. I completely agree with the supporting statements made regarding 'we've all done it'. This rings true to me with previous vehicles (RR included). Experts even get stung. But the vehicle is so worth it when you get in it. You feel like a king. It a Disco with luxury or a Defender with everyday practicality and Luxury (and room for your arms).
Its only after my own mistakes that I have some (and I do mean a little here) notion of what I'm now looking at. An example in point; Two years ago after reading reviews and the 'what to look out for' posts etc I would be checking for Air con leaks on the foot well centre console carpets, overheating on the 2.5 for water pump or rad issues and checking the havac doesn't have a book sign plus the EAS system operates correctly; now amongst other things, I also have a look at the air bags themselves and look for cracks, from which the pic you presented clearly show. Again - without knowing what a 'good one' looks like, how the hell are you supposed to know what a 'bad en' looks like.
So Jay - don't feel bad or put off. The P38 has its faults but so do ALL vehicles. Just take a ganda at any vehicle dedicated forum and the list is endless. P38's need not be any more expensive to fix than most other vehicles in its class if kept on top of.
I've never had 5K to spend on a vehicle, so I've always had to 'buy problems' (2K was my limit), but I like to think that what I did buy was a known quantity, and therefore a calculated risk. (he says with his P38 in the garage having a fluid change hoping its not a new gearbox job).... but I can't wine too much at it for 2K can I.
I hope that you stick to your guns and end up getting your money back including out of pocket expenses and alternative transport costs due to no use of the car you bought. If nothing else - once all the money issue has been sorted. You now know what a 'Bad en' looks and feels like! I can Guarantee that you will NEVER buy another in that state again will you.
What is the most shocking of all, is that a '**** Hawk' Dealer actually sold this to you.... then has the face to dodge any responsibility or liability!! A straight up dealer would simply cut losses and scrap it or even at worst sell on listing faults!
On a moral note: Once you have your money back, and your all straight - please continue to pass the info onto those that can use it in an attempt to prevent this happening again to the next poor guy that comes behind you. It would be an absolute travesty is the same vehicle was being posted on by another user 6 months down the line wouldn't it. That includes the stinking MOT station.
Not sure how constructive all this is for you - but having read all 500+ posts I have quite strong feelings about it. Chin up lad.
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Datatek
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I believe it also comes with a Blackbox Solutions Faultmate Extreme worth a few quid and very useful when you have problems
jwaldron - You must be snowed in mate, to be able to read through all 500+posts!!!!
Thanks for the kind words, I have today contacted the Solicitor in writing (email) and stated that if I do not get a resolution imminently that the trader will be recieving a court summons with the next 7days.
I have also made a point of highlighting comments the trader has put in writing i.e. the vehicle did NOT have any faults at time of sale, and therefore they have manifested since my ownership.
I have attached a copy of the MOT history clearly stating the issues it failed on, and the advisories that were present at the MOT, that they would have been present at time of the alleged inspection the trader had carried out prior to sale and that are still present now!
Therefore I can Categorically say that they were present.
I have ended the corrispondance asking how the trader wishes to proceed.
Refund (what I want), Further inspection in the hope that the trader can get a cheap fix (i have given him several garages of my choosing, this is for pure comedy value as it is looking like 2.5k to get how I want it. he still has 1k profit in the car and indicated if it was to be repared for less than 1k he would get it done) or Court.
Thanks for the kind words, I have today contacted the Solicitor in writing (email) and stated that if I do not get a resolution imminently that the trader will be recieving a court summons with the next 7days.
I have also made a point of highlighting comments the trader has put in writing i.e. the vehicle did NOT have any faults at time of sale, and therefore they have manifested since my ownership.
I have attached a copy of the MOT history clearly stating the issues it failed on, and the advisories that were present at the MOT, that they would have been present at time of the alleged inspection the trader had carried out prior to sale and that are still present now!
Therefore I can Categorically say that they were present.
I have ended the corrispondance asking how the trader wishes to proceed.
Refund (what I want), Further inspection in the hope that the trader can get a cheap fix (i have given him several garages of my choosing, this is for pure comedy value as it is looking like 2.5k to get how I want it. he still has 1k profit in the car and indicated if it was to be repared for less than 1k he would get it done) or Court.
the hooded claw
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YAY!!!!! Go go go Jay!!! ... PMA James PMA ..(POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE!!!!!)....
GREAT NEWS IS THAT James .... Keep it up fella ... yer playin a BLINDER!!!!
Keith
the hooded claw
Well-Known Member
I prefer.....
Drive
The
Rangie
Through
His
****ing
Lounge
If all else fails.
Oh I did say bout 2.5K to sort.....however STILL WALK THE **** AWAY.....or I can pick you up and you can speed away.
As I said bout 10 pages back ...Deliver it back to him via a Chinook from approx 2000 feet !!!
juiceyv8
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