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:
: "Paul Jensen" <pjensen@gnt.net> wrote in message
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: > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
news:0f1Oa.76182$%L.60422@news-
: > > Well we could stop providing free health care for everyone and then
remove
: > > the duty from petrol with the money we've saved.
: > >
: > > But my American friends pay more per onth for Healthcare than I do for
: > > petrol, so I guess I'd be worse off! :)
: >
: > Most of us Americans get ourselves a skill or an education, then go out
and
: > get jobs and get our own health care
:
: taken a look at the unemployment stats lately? I didn't think so.....

%%%% Why not? The Mexicans are able to do it!! I haven't been out of a job
in 36 years! I have multiple skills from flippin burgers to medicine
including farming and building houses.

:
:


 

"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: Exit wrote:
:
: > Jim Alder wrote:
: >> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in
: >> news:38XNa.74918$%L.29112@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
: >>
: >>> Educated Republican wrote:
: >>>> I love my V-10 sittin way up high. The power is unimagined
: >>>> and I feel heroic singing to Lee Greenwood. I like to push
: >>>> the guy ahead in the liberal econobox. Even more when I have
: >>>> my headlights on blinding his mirrors! God made this country
: >>>> great so we could have power on demand because its all about
: >>>> us. God told Rush that only HE can change warming so my
: >>>> little output don't matter. If the enviros ban big motors we
: >>>> will be robbed of our power rights so write to your
: >>>> repesentatives or just crush the next Subaru you see!
: >>>>
: >>>> Steve
: >>>
: >>> Is that what passes for educated these days? ;-)
: >>
: >> Nah. It's what passes for a liberal troll these days.
: >
: > Why is all this bollocks so political in the US?
: >
: > Petrol is $5 a gallon here in the UK and very few people care what you
: > drive.
: >
:
: Unable to take responsibility for their own actions, most
: americans feel it is necessary to compensate by sticking
: their nose in everyone else's business. This tendency
: to stick one's nose where it is totally unwanted is always
: in direct proportion to the lack of self responsibility
: on the part of the noser.

%%%% It becomes "My Business" when I feel that hand in my wallet!!

:
:


 

"John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
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%%%% Curiosity question John: What do you do for a living?


 


"David L. Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> news:Vl4Oa.2198$7e.2064@fed1read07...
> :
> : "Paul Jensen" <pjensen@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:vghj1gn00vaq98@corp.supernews.com...
> : > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> news:0f1Oa.76182$%L.60422@news-
> : > > Well we could stop providing free health care for everyone and then
> remove
> : > > the duty from petrol with the money we've saved.
> : > >
> : > > But my American friends pay more per onth for Healthcare than I do
for
> : > > petrol, so I guess I'd be worse off! :)
> : >
> : > Most of us Americans get ourselves a skill or an education, then go
out
> and
> : > get jobs and get our own health care
> :
> : taken a look at the unemployment stats lately? I didn't think so.....
>
> %%%% Why not? The Mexicans are able to do it!! I haven't been out of a job
> in 36 years! I have multiple skills from flippin burgers to medicine
> including farming and building houses.

It's funny, sometimes when someone is complaining about not being able to
find work, I'll offer then a job.
Suddenly it's not a job they want, but a certain type of job they are
looking for. They're not out of work, they're out of their particular job.
If I was out work, I'd take whatever job I could find to feed my family. And
of course, being self-employeed, I'd have no choice as I am inelible for the
unemployment I've been paying into all these years.
Luckily I've never spent beyond my means, and always based my businesses on
solid reality not wishful (re: greedy and risky) speculation. So it's always
been there for me.


 

"David L. Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mu4Oa.53910$926.6545@sccrnsc03...
> : Exit wrote:
> :
> : > Jim Alder wrote:
> : >> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in
> : >> news:38XNa.74918$%L.29112@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
> : >>
> : >>> Educated Republican wrote:
> : >>>> I love my V-10 sittin way up high. The power is unimagined
> : >>>> and I feel heroic singing to Lee Greenwood. I like to push
> : >>>> the guy ahead in the liberal econobox. Even more when I have
> : >>>> my headlights on blinding his mirrors! God made this country
> : >>>> great so we could have power on demand because its all about
> : >>>> us. God told Rush that only HE can change warming so my
> : >>>> little output don't matter. If the enviros ban big motors we
> : >>>> will be robbed of our power rights so write to your
> : >>>> repesentatives or just crush the next Subaru you see!
> : >>>>
> : >>>> Steve
> : >>>
> : >>> Is that what passes for educated these days? ;-)
> : >>
> : >> Nah. It's what passes for a liberal troll these days.
> : >
> : > Why is all this bollocks so political in the US?
> : >
> : > Petrol is $5 a gallon here in the UK and very few people care what you
> : > drive.
> : >
> :
> : Unable to take responsibility for their own actions, most
> : americans feel it is necessary to compensate by sticking
> : their nose in everyone else's business. This tendency
> : to stick one's nose where it is totally unwanted is always
> : in direct proportion to the lack of self responsibility
> : on the part of the noser.
>
> %%%% It becomes "My Business" when I feel that hand in my wallet!!



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner"


 

"Papa Smurf" <fakeaddress@Iwantnospam.crap> wrote in message
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:
:
: "David L. Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
: news:XM5Oa.175$MA3.119@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
: >
: > "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
: > news:Vl4Oa.2198$7e.2064@fed1read07...
: > :
: > : "Paul Jensen" <pjensen@gnt.net> wrote in message
: > news:vghj1gn00vaq98@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > news:0f1Oa.76182$%L.60422@news-
: > : > > Well we could stop providing free health care for everyone and
then
: > remove
: > : > > the duty from petrol with the money we've saved.
: > : > >
: > : > > But my American friends pay more per onth for Healthcare than I do
: for
: > : > > petrol, so I guess I'd be worse off! :)
: > : >
: > : > Most of us Americans get ourselves a skill or an education, then go
: out
: > and
: > : > get jobs and get our own health care
: > :
: > : taken a look at the unemployment stats lately? I didn't think so.....
: >
: > %%%% Why not? The Mexicans are able to do it!! I haven't been out of a
job
: > in 36 years! I have multiple skills from flippin burgers to medicine
: > including farming and building houses.
:
: It's funny, sometimes when someone is complaining about not being able to
: find work, I'll offer then a job.
: Suddenly it's not a job they want, but a certain type of job they are
: looking for. They're not out of work, they're out of their particular job.
: If I was out work, I'd take whatever job I could find to feed my family.
And
: of course, being self-employeed, I'd have no choice as I am inelible for
the
: unemployment I've been paying into all these years.
: Luckily I've never spent beyond my means, and always based my businesses
on
: solid reality not wishful (re: greedy and risky) speculation. So it's
always
: been there for me.

%%%% I have several college degrees. I have people regularly tell me that
their parents didn't have the money to send them to college. Mine didn't
either. At the ripe old age of 23 I got hurt at my well paying job as a
heavy steel worker and was soon unable to do it any longer due to 4 broken
ribs a dislocated shoulder a dislocated hip a deranged knee and a broken
ankle from a 360lb steel beam that fell 2 stories. I ended up working in a
factory for $3 hr. with a disabled pregnant wife. An illiterate monkey with
2 days training could have done the same job. After my son was born I quit
my factory job and enrolled in college and went for the next 5 years. I
worked before school and at night after school. I ran paper routes, pumped
gas, flipped burgers and worked on farms. Anything to support my wife and
get an education. I do not have any patience with anyone that says; "I
can't"! Not one day did I eat from food stamps or collect a welfare check. I
ate many meals of wild game with greens that I grew in my flower beds or
beans grown in an abandoned dog pen. "A country boy can survive"!!
:
:


 

"David L. Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Papa Smurf" <fakeaddress@Iwantnospam.crap> wrote in message
> news:HU5Oa.31625$U23.14477@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> :
> :
> : "David L. Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> : news:XM5Oa.175$MA3.119@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
> : >
> : > "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> : > news:Vl4Oa.2198$7e.2064@fed1read07...
> : > :
> : > : "Paul Jensen" <pjensen@gnt.net> wrote in message
> : > news:vghj1gn00vaq98@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> : > news:0f1Oa.76182$%L.60422@news-
> : > : > > Well we could stop providing free health care for everyone and
> then
> : > remove
> : > : > > the duty from petrol with the money we've saved.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > But my American friends pay more per onth for Healthcare than I
do
> : for
> : > : > > petrol, so I guess I'd be worse off! :)
> : > : >
> : > : > Most of us Americans get ourselves a skill or an education, then
go
> : out
> : > and
> : > : > get jobs and get our own health care
> : > :
> : > : taken a look at the unemployment stats lately? I didn't think
so.....
> : >
> : > %%%% Why not? The Mexicans are able to do it!! I haven't been out of a
> job
> : > in 36 years! I have multiple skills from flippin burgers to medicine
> : > including farming and building houses.
> :
> : It's funny, sometimes when someone is complaining about not being able
to
> : find work, I'll offer then a job.
> : Suddenly it's not a job they want, but a certain type of job they are
> : looking for. They're not out of work, they're out of their particular
job.
> : If I was out work, I'd take whatever job I could find to feed my family.
> And
> : of course, being self-employeed, I'd have no choice as I am inelible for
> the
> : unemployment I've been paying into all these years.
> : Luckily I've never spent beyond my means, and always based my businesses
> on
> : solid reality not wishful (re: greedy and risky) speculation. So it's
> always
> : been there for me.
>
> %%%% I have several college degrees. I have people regularly tell me that
> their parents didn't have the money to send them to college. Mine didn't
> either. At the ripe old age of 23 I got hurt at my well paying job as a
> heavy steel worker and was soon unable to do it any longer due to 4 broken
> ribs a dislocated shoulder a dislocated hip a deranged knee and a broken
> ankle from a 360lb steel beam that fell 2 stories. I ended up working in a
> factory for $3 hr. with a disabled pregnant wife. An illiterate monkey
with
> 2 days training could have done the same job. After my son was born I quit
> my factory job and enrolled in college and went for the next 5 years. I
> worked before school and at night after school. I ran paper routes, pumped
> gas, flipped burgers and worked on farms. Anything to support my wife and
> get an education. I do not have any patience with anyone that says; "I
> can't"! Not one day did I eat from food stamps or collect a welfare check.
I
> ate many meals of wild game with greens that I grew in my flower beds or
> beans grown in an abandoned dog pen. "A country boy can survive"!!



I have diabetes (my own damn fault, never put the effort into being trim)
and fractured my neck when I was 17 which gives me some trouble to this day,
but I've never been what i would consider disabled. Philosophy meets reality
at times like those, and I've always wondered how well I would fair against
real adversity. Not half as well as you, is my guess (that particular brand
of metal has always been a weakness in my character I fear), so my hat is
off to you.


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner"


 

"David L. Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> news:Vl4Oa.2198$7e.2064@fed1read07...
> :
> : "Paul Jensen" <pjensen@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:vghj1gn00vaq98@corp.supernews.com...
> : > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> news:0f1Oa.76182$%L.60422@news-
> : > > Well we could stop providing free health care for everyone and then
> remove
> : > > the duty from petrol with the money we've saved.
> : > >
> : > > But my American friends pay more per onth for Healthcare than I do for
> : > > petrol, so I guess I'd be worse off! :)
> : >
> : > Most of us Americans get ourselves a skill or an education, then go out
> and
> : > get jobs and get our own health care
> :
> : taken a look at the unemployment stats lately? I didn't think so.....
>
> %%%% Why not? The Mexicans are able to do it!! I haven't been out of a job
> in 36 years! I have multiple skills from flippin burgers to medicine
> including farming and building houses.
>


you sure are setting your sights high. I think Chimpyboy should be flipping the burgers.
It's closer to his skill level. Of course he'd have to compete with all those teenagers
looking for work so his chances would not be good. 'Getting an education" doesn't mean
**** if your company moves to Taiwan.


 

"Papa Smurf" <fakeaddress@Iwantnospam.crap> wrote in message
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>
> "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> news:975Oa.2223$7e.173@fed1read07...
> >
> > "Papa Smurf" <fakeaddress@Iwantnospam.crap> wrote in message
> > news:t45Oa.13892$Ha.514@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> > > news:WN4Oa.2216$7e.2154@fed1read07...
> > > >
> > > > "Papa Smurf" <fakeaddress@Iwantnospam.crap> wrote in message
> > > > news:Fw4Oa.4744$19.1850@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Paul Jensen" <pjensen@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:vghj68biiijic8@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Tell me bright eyes how many more republicans are on the
> > > welfare
> > > > > roles
> > > > > > > > due
> > > > > > > > > > to lack of education, then democrats.
> > > > > > > > > > It was a democrat that designed the palm beach ballot in
> 2000
> > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > democrats who could not figure out what it said, a great
> > > > > testimonial
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > democratic intellectual abilities.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You're wrong on all counts as usual. However, this is not
> the
> > > proper
> > > > > > > forum
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > testicularly deprived chickenhawks like you to pound their
> > > > > chests.....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How is he wrong? You mean it was Republicans complaining
> because
> > > they
> > > > > > > voted
> > > > > > > > for the wrong candidate? You made the accusation he was
> wrong -
> > > now
> > > > > back
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > up!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But that's like trying to get facts from a Liberal....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh yes and you are the Oracle of Karl Rovian bull****. Isn't it
> > > > > uncomfortable having your
> > > > > > head crammed up his ass?
> > > > > >
> > > > > I wouldn't know, I'm a conservative (look at this - I'm here one day
> and
> > > I'm
> > > > > already arguing at a third grade level)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You didn't need to tell us you are a Pubican goose-stepper. It drips
> out
> > > of your
> > > > ill-informed flat earth posts
> > >
> > > Not a republican, an agnostic fiscal conservative is as close to a
> workable
> > > label as I've come up with. Personal responsibility is my watchword.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > well we're close on the agnostic part...that alone would get you drummed
> out of the
> > Pubican Party.... Personal responsibility? I have to go battle with two
> assholes Tuesday;
> > they did $6000 damage to my truck and won't accept responsibility for
> it.....
>
> There's a lot of that around here (Mass). It no longer seems to be about
> doing what's right, but what one can get away with. Best we can do is stay
> true to our ethical code.


My ethical code means spending $3000 to prove a point; namely that these parties are scum.


 

"David L. Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mu4Oa.53910$926.6545@sccrnsc03...
> : Exit wrote:
> :
> : > Jim Alder wrote:
> : >> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in
> : >> news:38XNa.74918$%L.29112@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
> : >>
> : >>> Educated Republican wrote:
> : >>>> I love my V-10 sittin way up high. The power is unimagined
> : >>>> and I feel heroic singing to Lee Greenwood. I like to push
> : >>>> the guy ahead in the liberal econobox. Even more when I have
> : >>>> my headlights on blinding his mirrors! God made this country
> : >>>> great so we could have power on demand because its all about
> : >>>> us. God told Rush that only HE can change warming so my
> : >>>> little output don't matter. If the enviros ban big motors we
> : >>>> will be robbed of our power rights so write to your
> : >>>> repesentatives or just crush the next Subaru you see!
> : >>>>
> : >>>> Steve
> : >>>
> : >>> Is that what passes for educated these days? ;-)
> : >>
> : >> Nah. It's what passes for a liberal troll these days.
> : >
> : > Why is all this bollocks so political in the US?
> : >
> : > Petrol is $5 a gallon here in the UK and very few people care what you
> : > drive.
> : >
> :
> : Unable to take responsibility for their own actions, most
> : americans feel it is necessary to compensate by sticking
> : their nose in everyone else's business. This tendency
> : to stick one's nose where it is totally unwanted is always
> : in direct proportion to the lack of self responsibility
> : on the part of the noser.


People don't want to admit how ****ed up it is in this country. They'd rather demonstrate
their arrogance by showing the world the "correct way" to run things. A wiser person would
say that amounts to meddling.


 

"David L. Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> news:kS4Oa.2218$7e.1258@fed1read07...
>
> %%%% Curiosity question John: What do you do for a living?
>
>

I bitch


 
"Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in
news:0Y_Na.75541$%L.8546@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:

> Jim Alder wrote:
>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in
>> news:38XNa.74918$%L.29112@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>
>>> Educated Republican wrote:
>>>> I love my V-10 sittin way up high. The power is unimagined
>>>> and I feel heroic singing to Lee Greenwood. I like to push
>>>> the guy ahead in the liberal econobox. Even more when I
>>>> have my headlights on blinding his mirrors! God made this
>>>> country great so we could have power on demand because its
>>>> all about us. God told Rush that only HE can change warming
>>>> so my little output don't matter. If the enviros ban big
>>>> motors we will be robbed of our power rights so write to
>>>> your repesentatives or just crush the next Subaru you see!
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Is that what passes for educated these days? ;-)
>>
>> Nah. It's what passes for a liberal troll these days.
>
> Why is all this bollocks so political in the US?

It isn't. We havea few whiners on the newsgroup and a few more
out in the real world who like to complain about anything anyone
does if they enjoy it. SUVs are on that list. For many people over
here, the label "liberal" refers to the degree to which they
involve themselves in other peoples' business.

> Petrol is $5 a gallon here in the UK and very few people care
> what you drive.

The only time I care what someone else drives is when it's
cooler than what I drive, and that is usually the case. I care
more about HOW someone drives.

When you see a troll on here making a big deal about something,
please don't interpret it to be an important issue to anyone,
including the troll. They just do it to be annoying.

--
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only
an intellectual could ignore or evade it. -- Thomas Sowell
 
"Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
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> Slatner t Eliot wrote:
<snip>

> > How much of your paycheck do you bring home? Not as much as I do,I'l
> > bet.
> >
> About 70% - here's what I pay:
>
> http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/irinsert.htm
>
> And how about you?

Over here in ol' Belgium, those who don't work get their income just as
well. The idiots that do work get about 50% of their paycheck in their
hands...

--
Pros
-1982 Range Ruster V8-

(E-mail address is forged - reply to group please)

 
Papa Smurf wrote:
>> A command economy is one run by the state like the old soviet union.
>
> How does that work?
> Like: "I command the Frakenzy to be of worth equal to half a Euro"?
> or "The stocks will rise now!"?

No, more along the lines of we (the govt.) own all the means of production
and control the s income of those who buy the production. Thus we control
both sides of the economy directly.

--
Julian.
----------
General Melchett from Blackadder describing
his regiments coat of arms:
". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."


 
Papa Smurf wrote:
> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> news:%93Oa.76197$%L.68601@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> scrape at mindspring dot com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:23:42 GMT, "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> scrape at mindspring dot com wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:40:07 GMT, "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Forgive my lack of knowledge of US political parties as I am an
>>>>>> Englishman - I take it the democrats are the very right wing
>>>>>> party and the republicans are the even more right wing party?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. You've got it wrong. The Democrats are the socialists and
>>>>> the Republicans are the liberals.
>>>>
>>>> Democrats are socialists?
>>>>
>>>> To be a socialist (like Tony Blair or Karl Marx :)) you need to
>>>> believe in:
>>>>
>>>> State ownership of big business.
>>>>
>>>> A command economy.
>>>>
>>>> Redistribution of wealth.
>>>>
>>>> That the struggle between the proletariat and bourgeois is a
>>>> politcal struggle.
>>>>
>>>> State provision of services.
>>>>
>>>> It still looks to me as though you have two right wing parties
>>>> neither of whom would know socialism if it hit them in the face!
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Perhaps you need to look a bit closer. I'm not familiar with the
>>> phrase "command economy", but everything else you mentioned is dead
>>> on what the Democrats want.
>>
>> Really? Which industries have the democrats nationalised recently?
>>
>> If they were socialists a national health service would be top of
>> their list, but they don't ssem to have provided one yet.
>>
>
> We run into a little trouble with that one. Since largely it is US
> companies fronting the bill for the R&D that provides cheapers better
> drugs and procedures for the rest of the world it becomes difficult
> for US to achieve a leechbased healthcare system without putting at
> least some of the cost on the non-producers.

I'm afraid thats not true. Global Trade Information Services show that the
US exported 8695 and imported 14309 GBP Millions pharamceuticals in 2002.
The UK by comparison exported 10031 and imported 7446. We don't put the
costs on the non-producers, so why would you need to?

Since this is totally
> unacceptable to leechvoters and hugely unpopular with those that
> would end up footing the rest of the bill, it has trouble even being
> formed to come for a vote. Take recent events where Bush has said
> "Get me a healthcare bill, I'll sign it" and then the press starts
> giving out the details that it will (gasp) cost some more than they
> are getting back (they wanted the magical cow to pay for it all),
> suddenly they are all up in arms and it probably won't get passed.

I'm not saying you should have a national health service, thats a choice for
your electorate, but I do suspect the arguments are not being fairly
assessed.

--
Julian.
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his regiments coat of arms:
". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."


 
Papa Smurf wrote:
> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> news:T73Oa.76196$%L.10957@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Papa Smurf wrote:
>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Oj1Oa.76183$%L.67657@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> scrape at mindspring dot com wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:40:07 GMT, "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Forgive my lack of knowledge of US political parties as I am an
>>>>>> Englishman - I take it the democrats are the very right wing
>>>>>> party and the republicans are the even more right wing party?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. You've got it wrong. The Democrats are the socialists and
>>>>> the Republicans are the liberals.
>>>>
>>>> Democrats are socialists?
>>>>
>>>> To be a socialist (like Tony Blair or Karl Marx :)) you need to
>>>> believe in:
>>>>
>>>> State ownership of big business.
>>>
>>> Actually that's too much work for them, they just believe in taxing
>>> it into submission.
>>>
>> So no then.
>
> I'd put it down as a sort of. It's not that they don't want it, it's
> just that they screw up each company that they try this one. They
> can't do it out right so it's a lot of smoke and mirrors, regulate
> everything so tightly that it might as well be run by the government
> (ironically: California calls this deregulation). But do they believe
> in it and lust for it, I think so.
>
So they have actually tried a compulsory purchase of a national industry
which then subsequently failed?

>>>>
>>>> A command economy.
>>>>
>> Well?
>
> I skipped this because I'm not sure what this means and I'm too lazy
> to look it up today.
>
Sorry - it's an economy where the govt control the means of production.
>>
>>>> Redistribution of wealth.
>>>
>>> Big time. Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.09% of Income Taxes
>>>
>> Hmmm. . . . . .could you elucidate please.
>
> The Top half of all American Wage Earners Pay almost all Income taxes.
> Nope that probably didn't help. Damned IRS moved everything around
> again, I'll have to go with this link:
> http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/irsfigures.guest.html
>
I don't doubt the figures, but surely this is precisely what would be
expected in a rich economy and dare I say it, be desirable from both a
social and economic perspective.

>>>
>>>> That the struggle between the proletariat and bourgeois is a
>>>> politcal struggle.
>>>
>>> Definately.
>>>
>>>> State provision of services.
>>>
>>> Don't know how strongly they feel about publicizing everything, but
>>> they show do go ballistic whenever talk of privitizing something
>>> comes up.
>>>
>> So what public services are provided by the democrats that aren't by
>> the republicans?
>>
>>>> It still looks to me as though you have two right wing parties
>>>> neither of whom would know socialism if it hit them in the face!
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> OK, we'll just call em 4/5 socialists then....
>>
>> Not even 5% socialists - must try harder.
>
> Wow, if that's 5% then they must whip most kids straight out of the
> delivery room into a bubblewrap crate designed for safety and health,
> while pushing the few producers to breaking point to keep society
> going. No, too far from one of my concepts of hell.
> What's good side for the non-leeches?

You seem somewhat dogmatic - a nations success surely must not only be
measured in dollars, but also how it looks after it's less fortunate
citizens and I say this a right wing Conservative.

--
Julian.
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General Melchett from Blackadder describing
his regiments coat of arms:
". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."


 
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:37:21 GMT, "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote:


>I don't doubt the figures, but surely this is precisely what would be
>expected in a rich economy and dare I say it, be desirable from both a
>social and economic perspective.

From another post of yours a little further down:

>I bet you don't - I'm a right wing conservative. (Small & large 'C') :)

Those two statements don't support each other.


 
scrape at mindspring dot com wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:37:21 GMT, "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I don't doubt the figures, but surely this is precisely what would be
>> expected in a rich economy and dare I say it, be desirable from both
>> a social and economic perspective.
>
> From another post of yours a little further down:
>
>> I bet you don't - I'm a right wing conservative. (Small & large 'C')
>> :)
>
> Those two statements don't support each other.

Only from your narrow perspective.

I am a member of the UK Conservative party, the main right wing UK political
party which believes in the free market, self-determination and low tax, low
public spending.

Within that group the majority subscribe to 'one-nation' conservatism which
in essence believes that through the success of the free market and whilst
keeping public spending to a minimum, the whole country benefits financially
from certain social expenditure such as ensuring the less well-off are
healthy and well educated so that they can be more productive.

A good example is the national health service - essentially a socialist
ideal, but in fact a well run NHS costs tax-payers less per month than
private healthcare, leaving them more disposable income to do what they like
with than forcing them to spend more on private healthcare. This leaves more
income to be spent in the economy with the resultant benefits.

--
Julian.
----------
General Melchett from Blackadder describing
his regiments coat of arms:
". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."


 
Exit wrote:
> Slatner t Eliot wrote:
>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>> news:0f1Oa.76182$%L.60422@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> scrape at mindspring dot com wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:41:48 GMT, "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why is all this bollocks so political in the US?
>>>>
>>>> Because, on one hand, you have a political party that has been
>>>> somewhat neutered in the last couple of years that basically
>>>> believes the way to salvation is to triple the tax on everything.
>>>> And on the other hand you have another political party that
>>>> believes (to a degree) that individual freedoms are more important
>>>> than whatever Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi and Hillary (new Gang of
>>>> Four?) have to say.
>>>>
>>>>> Petrol is $5 a gallon here in the UK and very few people care what
>>>>> you drive.
>>>>
>>>> That truly sucks. You ought to do something about it.
>>>
>>> Well we could stop providing free health care for everyone and then
>>> remove the duty from petrol with the money we've saved.
>>>
>>> But my American friends pay more per onth for Healthcare than I do
>>> for petrol, so I guess I'd be worse off! :)
>>>
>>
>> How much of your paycheck do you bring home? Not as much as I do,I'l
>> bet.
>>
> About 70% - here's what I pay:
>
> http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/irinsert.htm
>
> And how about you?

I'm still waiting - and how much was that bet? ;-)

--
Julian.
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his regiments coat of arms:
". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."


 

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: >
: > "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
: > news:Vl4Oa.2198$7e.2064@fed1read07...
: > :
: > : "Paul Jensen" <pjensen@gnt.net> wrote in message
: > news:vghj1gn00vaq98@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > news:0f1Oa.76182$%L.60422@news-
: > : > > Well we could stop providing free health care for everyone and
then
: > remove
: > : > > the duty from petrol with the money we've saved.
: > : > >
: > : > > But my American friends pay more per onth for Healthcare than I do
for
: > : > > petrol, so I guess I'd be worse off! :)
: > : >
: > : > Most of us Americans get ourselves a skill or an education, then go
out
: > and
: > : > get jobs and get our own health care
: > :
: > : taken a look at the unemployment stats lately? I didn't think so.....
: >
: > %%%% Why not? The Mexicans are able to do it!! I haven't been out of a
job
: > in 36 years! I have multiple skills from flippin burgers to medicine
: > including farming and building houses.
: >
:
:
: you sure are setting your sights high. I think Chimpyboy should be
flipping the burgers.
: It's closer to his skill level. Of course he'd have to compete with all
those teenagers
: looking for work so his chances would not be good. 'Getting an education"
doesn't mean
: **** if your company moves to Taiwan.

%%%% Yes it does. You need to be able to do more than just glue widgets
together or run a column of figures.

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